FASTEST STREET LEGAL 4 CYLINDER!!!

[Scott]

http://forums.hotrod.com/ubbthreads/sho ... e=0#233960 (http://forums.hotrod.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=233960&an=0&page=0#233960)

its kinda funny that the fastest 4 cylinder "rwd" is the same engine they put in PINTO'S many years ago.. drag week car also, impressive to say the least..

[Ricky]

thats neat, but with adavancs in technology that record wont stay long

[black88gt]

thats badass. ive always kinda wanted an svo, or maybe an xr4ti. theyre both pretty unique, and the svos are well engineered cars. not to mention theyre appreciating like crazy

[Drifte]

fastest RWD car 4cyl. give it a little time. Brent will get it done :)

[Scott]

who is brent?

[Jappbox]

must be fastest 4 cyl domestic or in a stock apering class cause there are RWD dsm's running faster. And buschur had a conquest that ran 8's http://www.buschurracing.com/racing-conquest.htm

[black88gt]

must be fastest 4 cyl domestic or in a stock apering class cause there are RWD dsm's running faster. And buschur had a conquest that ran 8's http://www.buschurracing.com/racing-conquest.htm


is it street legal? thats a huge part of it

[DustinsDuster]

yeah, ive always thought that 4-banger mustang was neat. especially 20mpg and 6.5hp per cubic inch....

[Rollin on Dubs]

must be fastest 4 cyl domestic or in a stock apering class cause there are RWD dsm's running faster. And buschur had a conquest that ran 8's http://www.buschurracing.com/racing-conquest.htm Yah i have seen pics of the AMS " bad ass" Evo, It had a radiator the size of most peoples heater cores , that mustang acually drives.

[slow ride]

That's a sweet SVO, but as for the AMS EVO take a look

http://media.ams-evo8.com/videos/amsevo ... flight.wmv (http://media.ams-evo8.com/videos/amsevo/amsevo8testflight.wmv)

http://media.ams-evo8.com/videos/amsevo ... street.wmv (http://media.ams-evo8.com/videos/amsevo/amsonthestreet.wmv)

Now that car goes 8's with a 5-speed manual and clutched shifts thats a little more impressive than an auto car doing it. Not to mention the faster MPH. That Mustang might see the streets, but I'm sure the huge stall speed makes it a treat to drive down the strip, but a pain around town as would the clutch in the EVO.

Everyone seems to have a different idea of what street car is. Some just want mufflers and turn signals, some want pump gas, registration, etc, etc. I personally think a "street car" should still turn corners well, brake well, have craeture comforts, etc, etc.

[ZEE]

It's not an SVO. Looks to be a late 70's 4 cyl mustang. SVO's came out in the early 80's. You can tell by the nose.

[Scott]

It really makes me wonder when people start talking about higher stall converters not being streetable.. If you have ever ridden in a car with a high stall converter you really cant even tell its there untill you step on the gas. I got just a little trans cooler on mine with a 4500 stall and the trans never even gets as hot as the motor does.

[Jappbox]

[quote="red04evo";p="125529":4e0f9]must be fastest 4 cyl domestic or in a stock apering class cause there are RWD dsm's running faster. And buschur had a conquest that ran 8's http://www.buschurracing.com/racing-conquest.htm Yah i have seen pics of the AMS " bad ass" Evo, It had a radiator the size of most peoples heater cores , that mustang acually drives.[/quote:4e0f9]

I dont get the "actully drives" comment. That small radiator is just fine. in fact car will run 180degrees much cooler than anything i know of. I am switching to that radiatior and it wont effect a thing. in fact the 900+ hp evo that shop built had it and they drove it 1300 miles home to florida. That to me makes it "drive" In fact if you take that exact car, see what it makes for "whp" it makes 7.4hp per cubic inch. and gets 29MPG.


I had 4.99hp/cubic inch. and i got 28-29mpg :supz:

[DustinsDuster]

It's not an SVO. Looks to be a late 70's 4 cyl mustang. SVO's came out in the early 80's. You can tell by the nose.

it could only be a 79 then, that was the only fox body mustang in the 70's; im saying early 80's, pre-84

[Drifte]

who is brent?

sorry bret..bret rau. 7sec rwd eclipse.

[Jappbox]

[quote="Scott";p="125528":780a8]who is brent?

sorry bret..bret rau. 7sec rwd eclipse.[/quote:780a8]


edit: 6 sec rwd eclipse 4g63 2.0L :bigthumb:

[ZEE]

[quote="ZEE";p="125554":effdd]It's not an SVO. Looks to be a late 70's 4 cyl mustang. SVO's came out in the early 80's. You can tell by the nose.

it could only be a 79 then, that was the only fox body mustang in the 70's; im saying early 80's, pre-84[/quote:effdd]

I'm not good with mustang years. Definitely not an SVO though.

[DustinsDuster]

[quote="DustinsDuster";p="125581":591ca][quote="ZEE";p="125554":591ca]It's not an SVO. Looks to be a late 70's 4 cyl mustang. SVO's came out in the early 80's. You can tell by the nose.

it could only be a 79 then, that was the only fox body mustang in the 70's; im saying early 80's, pre-84[/quote:591ca]

I'm not good with mustang years. Definitely not an SVO though.[/quote:591ca]

maybe not an SVO from the factory, but i have a hard time not calling a turbo 4cyl mustang an SVO, converted or not, still great

[allgo]

Dustin they made a mustang gtturbo in 83-84. 4 cylnder turbo

[black88gt]

its a 79. also this car was at drag week, so if its not a street car i dont know what is.

[slow ride]

Don't get me wrong it's a bad ass turbo 4 mustang. I just called it a SVO since it was a turbo 4. I guess I never paid attention to it being an older body style. I saw the drag week video and that car was my favorite.

Although an auto will dominate in consistancy and et's on sub 12 second cars due to less breakage, better 60' given the same traction, I just don't like driving them. I guess I like tracks with turns in them to much. If I had the coin to build a drag baised street car you can rest assured it would be an auto though.

[Rollin on Dubs]

[quote="Rollin on Dubs";p="125548":c3e70][quote="red04evo";p="125529":c3e70]must be fastest 4 cyl domestic or in a stock apering class cause there are RWD dsm's running faster. And buschur had a conquest that ran 8's http://www.buschurracing.com/racing-conquest.htm Yah i have seen pics of the AMS " bad ass" Evo, It had a radiator the size of most peoples heater cores , that mustang acually drives.[/quote:c3e70]

I dont get the "actully drives" comment. That small radiator is just fine. in fact car will run 180degrees much cooler than anything i know of. I am switching to that radiatior and it wont effect a thing. in fact the 900+ hp evo that shop built had it and they drove it 1300 miles home to florida. That to me makes it "drive" In fact if you take that exact car, see what it makes for "whp" it makes 7.4hp per cubic inch. and gets 29MPG.


I had 4.99hp/cubic inch. and i got 28-29mpg :supz:[/quote:c3e70]


Well AMS is in Illinois right? Then if they have all of these bad ass, so streetable cars. why dont they come out and just kill everyone on drag week, ( its in there back yard). Dont get me wrong, there cars can run on pump gas, im sure there cars can Drive for thousands of miles, and we all know they can run numbers, maby they should do it in front of thousands of people. Oh and gain even more product exposure.

Honestly Im not a ford fan at all, but i am impressed with that mustang on how well it runs and what kind of money the guy has into it. I cant say for sure what he spent but i am willing to bet that guy has less than 1/10 of what that AMS Evo has into just the engine.

[Jappbox]

well for one as big as drag week is, they have alot more events that a way more important than that. Like last year they finished 3rd in the 1 lap of america, if you think drag week is tough look up what the 1 lap of america consists of. They didnt run in that this year cause they are cramed with things to do. They dont need more product exposer considering they sell stuff all over the world. not to mention the busy nopi events and all the other road racing events and the hundereds of apoinments and dynoing they have. I dought you will see them on drag week. but maybe...

[black88gt]

LOL "they dont need more product exposure"

try telling any business owner that

[Jappbox]

haha its true though. they are so booked and busy. there dyno is so busy you cant just go there and get 3 pulls, only on a "dyno day". they are also moving at the end of the summer to a shop 3 times the size of what they have... I think they are doing ok.. lol

[black88gt]

what does the car ams send to 1 lap of america run in the 1/4? not to mention 1 lap isnt really much of a drag competition. road course cars are much easier to have street legal than an 8 second drag car

[Jappbox]

it makes over 650hp, so low 10's prob. I wasent saying its less streetable or more. just road racing is 10 times harder on cars than drag racing. also 1 lap travels twice as many miles, last year they put over 4,000 miles on the car during the event. My point was saying they can make reliable cars.

[black88gt]

it makes over 650hp, so low 10's prob. I wasent saying its less streetable or more. just road racing is 10 times harder on cars than drag racing. also 1 lap travels twice as many miles, last year they put over 4,000 miles on the car during the event. My point was saying they can make reliable cars.

i disagree

[Jappbox]

??

[black88gt]

the shock put on the drivetrain, especially off of a brake or letting the clutch out on a 5 speed is insane. not to mention that car makes quite a bit more than 650 horsepower.

[black88gt]

also all the time in a drag race is spent in the upper rpms, whereas auto x cars rev through the entire range

[Jappbox]

dude AMS has a Drag car, and a Road race car. both now have the same paint. Road race car used to be black. drage car has 1013whp, and road race car now has like 650whp.

[Jappbox]

also drag racing is over in 10 seconds or less. try being at allmost redline for 20 mins or more at a time. Road racing is SOOO much harder on a vehicle all the way around, not to mention the braking and turning.

[black88gt]

dude AMS has a Drag car, and a Road race car. both now have the same paint. Road race car used to be black. drage car has 1013whp, and road race car now has like 650whp.

i know that, but you were talking about the road course car, so i discussed the road course car. is the drag car in the 8s and street legal/streetable?

[Jappbox]

they have the turbo up front, so its not smart to drive on the street, they used to till they moved it. dan bajalis car will soon be in the 8's he went 9.27 boost cuting. and his car sounds almost stock with exhaust. very streetable my setup will be allmost identicale and i will Only be a street car.

[black88gt]

i understand what you're talking about w/ the road course being hard on a car, but i think that once you get into lower ETs for drag racing, it is harder on your car. kinda like how some classes have to rebuild the motor after every sub 7 second run. having to rebuild the motor after every race that lasts that short is pretty hard on the car i would think

[TbTalon94]

The classes that have to use that are using large amounts of nitrous and usually a very large blower. They have loose clearances so the metal has room to expand from the shit ton of nitrous.

Most of the pro 4cylinders and people running in the single digits with DSM's run the same motor all year...and sometimes a couple years.

[Drifte]

^ word. beat me to it. obviously your stressin the car more with more power, thats a given.

[Scott]

yeah I dont know about that one, road racing is a hell of alot easier on drivetrain parts than drag racing, I do agree they get alot more use but they dont get pounded and abused near as much as drag racing. and engines arent built nearly the same either, engines tuned or built for drag racing are pretty much on the edge of what they can safely run. road race engines are generally way "overbuilt" and tuned conservative for the amount of power they put out for reliability reasons..

[Drifte]

"road race engines are generally way "overbuilt" and tuned conservative for the amount of power they put out for reliability reasons.."

kinda like how most people build a car they dd.

but yea i agree.

[TbTalon94]

Yea going to have to agree with Scott there. Road Race cars are definatly overbuilt for their power they are making. Jesse is right though they do sustain higher rpm's for significantly longer periods of time, but they are built for that :yawinkle:

I'd say the motor takes about the same abuse (longer periods with road racing), and the drivetrain takes the most abuse in drag racing.

[Deimos]

Street legal damn I was about to say I saw a TOYO or Geo run a 6.60

[krustindumm]

If only Honda built a cheap RWD car....People get their FWD's into the 10's with air conditioning.

I reallly do like the old turbo-4 fords. I'd take an XR4Ti, turbo coupe, or an SVO mustang if they were given to me.

[Domestic Disturbance]

thats a badass lil car. and street legal hell ya