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logans dad
12-12-2006, 03:17 PM
I don't often send out things like this, but I am beginning to think that if the citizens of our great country don't start doing and saying something, we are going to be over-run with illegal immigrants who seem to think they can come in here and do as they please! If they want to become citizens, FINE, they can wait their turn, like they are supposed to! And they can learn our language and fly the AMERICAN flag. We owe them NOTHING!!!

Enough of my preaching!












If this doesn't open your eyes... nothing will!




From the L.A. Times



1. 40% of all workers in L.A. County ( L.A. County has 10.2 million people)

are working for cash and not paying taxes. This was because they are

predominantly illegal immigrants, working without a green card.



2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.



3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.



4. Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien

Mexicans on Medi-Cal, whose births were paid for by taxpayers.



5. Nearly 25% of all inmates in California detention centers

are Mexican nationals here illegally.



6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.



7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles

are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.



8. Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.


9. 21 radio stations in L.A. are Spanish speaking.



10. In L.A. County 5.1 million people speak English.

3.9 million speak Spanish.

(There are 10.2 million people in L.A. County ).

(All the above from the Los Angeles Times)


Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops, but 29% are on welfare.


Over 70% of the United States ' annual population growth (and over 90% of California , Florida , and New York ) results from immigration.


The cost of immigration to the American taxpayer in 1997 was, (after subtracting taxes immigrants pay), a NET $70 BILLION/year, [Professor Donald Huddle, Rice University ]. The lifetime fiscal impact (taxes paid minus services used) for the average adult Mexican immigrant is a NEGATIVE number.


29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens.


If they can come to this country to raise Hell and demonstrate by the thousands, WHY can't they take charge over the corruption in their own country?


We are a bunch of fools for letting this continue.



THE U.S. VS MEXICO




On February 15, 1998, the U.S. and Mexican soccer teams met at the Los Angeles

Coliseum. The crowd was overwhelmingly pro-Mexican even though most lived

in this country. They booed during the National Anthem and U.S. flags were held

upside down. As the match progressed, supporters of the U.S. team were insulted,

pelted with projectiles, punched and spat upon. Beer and trash were thrown at

the U.S. players before and after the match. The coach of the U.S. team, Steve

Sampson said, "This was the most painful experience I have ever had in this

profession."


Did you know that immigrants from Mexico and other non-European countries

can come to this country and get preferences in jobs, education, and government

contracts. It's called affirmative action or racial privilege. The Emperor of Japan

or the President of Mexico could migrate here and immediately be eligible for

special rights unavailable for Americans of European descent.


Corporate America has signed on to the idea that minorities and third world

immigrants should get special, privileged status. Some examples are Exxon,

Texaco, Merrill Lynch, Boeing, Paine Weber, Starbucks and many more.



DID YOU KNOW?

... that Mexico regularly intercedes on the side of the defense in criminal cases involving Mexican nationals?

... that Mexico has NEVER extradited a Mexican national accused of murder in the U.S. in spite of agreements to do so? According to the L.A. Times, Orange County , California is home to 275 gangs with 17,000 members, 98% of which are Mexican and Asian.

How's your county doing?


According to a New York Times article dated May 19, 1994, 20 years after

the great influx of legal immigrants from Southeast Asia , 30% are still on

welfare compared to 8% of households nationwide. A Wall Street Journal

editorial dated December 5, 1994 quotes law enforcement officials as stat-

ing that Asian mobsters are the "greatest criminal challenge the country

faces." Not bad for a group that is still under 5% of the population.


Is education important to you? Here are the words of a teacher who spent

over 20 years in the Los Angeles School system. "Imagine teachers in classes

containing 30-40 students of widely varying attention spans and motivation,

many of whom aren't fluent in English. Educators seek learning materials

likely to reach the majority of students and that means fewer words and

math problems and more pictures and multicultural references."



WHEN I WAS YOUNG


I remember hearing about the immigrants that came through Ellis Island .

They wanted to learn English. They wanted to breathe free. They wanted

to become Americans. Now, far too many immigrants come here with de-

mands. They demand to be taught in their own language. They demand spe-

cial privileges ... affirmative action. They demand ethnic studies that glorify their culture.



NOW ...

WHY CAN'T WE SEND THEM HOME


HOW CAN YOU HELP?

Send copies of this letter to at least two other people .
100 would be even better.

warchild145
12-12-2006, 03:31 PM
get used to it, country is to PC to do anything, sad but true

SaNdMaNsSi
12-12-2006, 03:59 PM
For once, I completely agree. Illegal immigration won't affect Iowa as much as most southern/west coast states, but it still pisses me off. If I illegally immigrated to another country, their citizens would want me to go home. So why is not okay for me to say that I don't want illegal immigrants in our country either? Of course all the PC people will say that everyone in this country used to be an immigrant too. Thats true, but not anymore. Every single person who is a citizen of the US who was born here did not immigrate. Therefore I shouldn't have to accept illegal immigration. If they spent the time learning our language, learning skills, and immigrating properly, I wouldnt have such a problem. I especially hate the language issue. If I went to France, I'd speak French. Don't come to our country and speak your language. Also, dont come here and fly our flag upside down or have parades in the street about how we should accept you. Youre in our country. Either conform or go back to your hovel. Its that simple. I wish the government would get fed up and just say that the militiamen at the border can just openly fire on anyone crossing the border. Not only would I move to the border, but it'd definitely make them think twice about coming here illegally.

logans dad
12-12-2006, 04:00 PM
In Marshalltown my nephews have to go across town to school because the school by their house is all Mexican and the kids have to speak Spanish or be Mexican to go to that school. Now that just sucks.

Marshalltown was a nice town but its almost half Mexican now due to the packing plant. I know it hurt a lot of people with years at the packing plant here but I'm telling you be happy it closed.

My father in law works at the court house and said every night the cops are called out to the Mexican areas for disturbances but they don't put it in the paper as it would make it a book.

The Ins was at Swift packing in Marshalltown today and my aunt said they got a few illegals but said when the word got all they were running out of the place to get away.

My sister is a nurse at the hospital in Marshalltown and she said none of them have insurance but they cant turn them away and they had to hire interpreters so she would know what they were saying. We pay for all that.

Places where I deliver in Chicago are candy places and its nothing but Mexican and I do want you all to know the most of them are really nice but send most their money to Mexico and when they retire most have told me they will go back. Now if some are legal and get social security that money will be sent to them in Mexico also.

DustinsDuster
12-12-2006, 04:04 PM
**EDIT**

i was saying i agree with Warchild and Sandman. it sucks, and i agree with them, but the chances of our government getting fed up and telling them to leave are just slim and none. all it would take was a few officials to oppose it and im sure all the aliens would support them. i wish there was a better answer to the problem, but i'll admit i sure dont know it.

Ashley
12-12-2006, 04:06 PM
speaking of marshalltown and mexicans.. there's a federal raid going on right now at the meatpacking plant in marshalltown to get all of the illegal immigrants there, because apparently they're stealing regular US citizens identity to work there. craaazy.

logans dad
12-12-2006, 04:21 PM
Ashley. I must of reedited right when you did your post. But wanted to add that I heard on the radio where more and more are coming to Iowa because they've heard its a great state.

Also heard when the Democrats take office in the House and Senate the fence will not go up on the border.

warchild145
12-12-2006, 04:29 PM
How were we immigrants when at the time we came to this country it wasnt actually a country, it was just land the Indians hunted on and migrated back and forth through the seasons. Also according to history even the indians migrated here coming from russia over through alaska and then down towards mexico.

We claimed the land, indians could have fought us for it but they beleived no one owned the land and didnt put up much of a fight (but yet they own land now for casinos) yes we may have taken what they used but its how the world has been since time existed. Same as hunting, but will get into that later (peta).

But now that we have established a country and have set laws anyone coming here against out laws is an illegal immigrant, doesnt matter how you look at it.

I just hate when people say we were immigrants when we came here yet if you look at the definition is a false statement.

Also another place INS needs to raid is Tyson foods in Columbus junction.

~626~
12-12-2006, 04:48 PM
I'm not trying to defend illegal immigration at all, they need to pay their taxes, the roads in LA/Orange/Riverside/San Bernadino are deplorable, many other public services are lacking as well. But, IMHO, you can't blame the immigrants. They do jobs no one else wants (picking strawberries in 100+ degree heat is not fun) for less, they just want to feed their families. Mexicans feel that this is their country (at least Califa!), and rightfully so in SOME respects, so they feel no need to learn English. I hate to say it, but short of armed white people killing off the immigrants, it's not going to stop, and I really don't see that as a plausible option. As far as the gang issue, it's not just Hispanics/Asians. African-Americans (Bloods/Crips) and Caucasians(Peni/NLR) have gangs too.

ZEE
12-12-2006, 07:00 PM
I disagree with the 'They're doing work we won't do' argument. They're just doing it for a lot cheaper wage than anybody else in there right mind would. Which drives down the wage base for everybody. They'll work for the lower wage because they can't complain much when they're faced with deportation. How is california or any part of the US rightfully theirs in some respects? Don't quite understand that one. I can't blame immigrants for wanting a better life. I can blame the government for not getting a handle on this and just letting the illegal population walk all over us with absolutely no opposition. We need to close off the southern border copletely. If we can afford the cost of a war overseas we can sure as hell afford to build walls and adequately man it with armed personel.

ZacFields
12-12-2006, 07:41 PM
Personally, I'm amazed that this is even an issue worth debating.

The key word of illegal immigration is the word "illegal." It's a law they have broken by not coming into the United States in a legal way, which would include them paying taxes and yes, learning a little bit about our country in the process.

Most laws are enforced without discussion. When you're speeding, you can get pulled over and you will probably get a ticket. When you steal something, you can be caught and punished. When you assault somebody, you will be punished as well.

This is why I've never understood why there are people who think we should just completely turn our heads when there are illegal immigrants here in our country. It's a United States law that is being broken, and they should be punished for it. Don't put them in jail...not even for one night. Take them back to their own country.

I'm with all of you in saying I can't blame them for wanting a better life. People forget the opportunities you get in America as compared to a lot of other places. But at the same time, they are still breaking a law and taking jobs that could and would be performed by Americans. Like ZEE said, they are doing these jobs for ridiculously low wages, but if they weren't there the employer would just have to raise their wages and give the jobs to some of those unemployed americans that need jobs so bad. It may not pay much but I'd say a shitty paying job is better than no job at all.

I'm confused with people who think we should ignore immigration...because they are generally the exact same people that are completely 100% against sending our jobs overseas, but they don't care at all if those same people come into our country and take jobs in our own hometowns.

That's the extent of what I have to say about it. It's a law that they're breaking... and I think the US needs to put funding towards the groups that we already have in place to deport them when they're found. Not to mention put some things into motion that will prevent them from coming in.

Zac

black88gt
12-12-2006, 08:26 PM
The legality also applies to the "we were all immigrants once." When we came here, the overwhelming majority did it legally, and followed all the restrictions and laws to obtain citizenship. They didnt sneak in and just start living here because they didnt like where they were before. Maybe we were all immigrants at one time, but we were legal immigrants; theres a huge difference.

sLoWnStEaDy
12-12-2006, 09:37 PM
NAH... We have to many other countries to take care of. No time to worry about ours being taken over by illegals and having Everything the millions of soldiers have died for to protect jus go to shit.

my short (most likely ignorant in your eyes) statement; If you want to be in this country, FINE be in it, but do it the way our people did, stand in a LONG ass line wait your turn and be documented. Then be GREATFUL, VERY GREATFUL that you can be a citizen of our great country. Fly our flag, speak our language, fight FOR our country, not IN it!!
Back in WWII, there where peoples parents had came over from germany, japan france etc... all fighting for their country, AMERICA. You didnt see chinese people flying a chinese flag, or germans flying a german flag, everyone wad flying the same flag, an AMERICAN flag.

logans dad
12-12-2006, 09:50 PM
NAH... We have to many other countries to take care of. No time to worry about ours being taken over by illegals and having Everything the millions of soldiers have died for to protect jus go to sh*t.

my short (most likely ignorant in your eyes) statement; If you want to be in this country, FINE be in it, but do it the way our people did, stand in a LONG a$$ line wait your turn and be documented. Then be GREATFUL, VERY GREATFUL that you can be a citizen of our great country. Fly our flag, speak our language, fight FOR our country, not IN it!!
Back in WWII, there where peoples parents had came over from germany, japan france etc... all fighting for their country, AMERICA. You didnt see chinese people flying a chinese flag, or germans flying a german flag, everyone wad flying the same flag, an AMERICAN flag.

AMAN, Right on, well all of you are.

I do think I heard that California, Texas and Arizona did belong to Mexico and we took those states from the Mexicans, Maybe someone can fill us in on that.

warchild145
12-12-2006, 10:49 PM
Key word is "was" its not anymore and if they have a problem then get it back but fat chance that will happen

DustinsDuster
12-13-2006, 05:25 PM
read this:
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and this:
http://maddox.xmission.com/hatemail.cgi?p=1#CLUETRAIN

for comedic political racial stances

Ricky
12-13-2006, 11:50 PM
i heard a lot got deported today in marshal town. about fucking time

sLoWnStEaDy
12-14-2006, 10:47 AM
From what i've seen, If INS ever hits West liberty we'll have a ghost town.

Drifte
12-14-2006, 01:45 PM
the idea of mexico fighting for cali, arizona would be awesome. they dont stand a chance and that would surely clear them outa here.

logans dad
12-14-2006, 03:10 PM
California is almost all Mexicans again and about all they have to do is say this state is ours and we will do what we want here.

As far as Mexicans being harder workers is BS. Places where I deal with them I see that they work no harder then an American and in a lot of situations are about as lazy as can be.

Ricky
12-14-2006, 04:41 PM
i dont think they work harder either they just have the jobs that make them look like they look hard

logans dad
12-14-2006, 05:09 PM
I'm on my way to bed to be in Chicago at 7am and its a Mexican that checks me in and he is legal and has a brand new ford F150 he had me look at.
We talk about this subject and he has no problem with it but he did tell me illegals piss him off as it cost his family a lot of money to get here legal, And people give him looks like go home Illegal Mexican.
And places I go to that have illegals all drive nice or new vehicles so a lot of the illegals get good jobs, Not just ones we "AMERICANS" Don't want!!!!

Stutz
12-14-2006, 07:46 PM
I work at a place pollunating corn over the summer and the migrant workers dont work faster then the regular high school kids that work there, they just work cheaper and longer hours and there are a lot more of them.

warchild145
12-14-2006, 08:09 PM
why wouldnt they want to try and take texas too? Anywhere near the border and everyone is speaking spanish.

Also i see alot of mexican roofers, but they only do shingle jobs for some reason. No different then any other worker. Used to be hard to communicate with but after i went to texas you pick up the spanish quick. Good refresher from spanish I & II

Ricky
12-15-2006, 12:16 AM
if i remember right they had texas at one time but we fought them and made them stay on the other side of the river. i beleive we kicked there ass big time

Drifte
12-15-2006, 09:41 AM
everyone forget about NEW mexico...

about the shingling, theirs a name for it. Where people will do only one job so that they cant scew up something else...

69gt4speed
12-27-2006, 02:01 AM
Bottom line imho to stop these illegal's from wanting to come here..

1 Ban out of state co. from advertising for jobs in border states in spanish language and providing transportation to out of state from border areas.
2 Prosecute co. and ceos for aiding and abetting illegals with fines and jail sentences. Not just a lil fine and don't do that. A guy caught with weed at his house could get his property seized and sold, seize the co. sell it to a competitor, stockholders would get mighty upset and stop that from happening.
3 Anyone found with falsified documents sent to afganistan and dropped off by the nearest poppy farm and allowed one phone call to their relatives.
4 We need to pressure co. and the gov to stop this bs, you know how to do that..
5 The root problem is it sucks to live in mexico what to do about that? Overpopulation there, bad climate most places, corruption, like rats jumping off a sinking ship. My old job was outsourced in 80 to mexico, guess that didn't help much. :roll:

Ok #3 isn't a option but remember it is the co. that promote this, that condone it, look the other way.

You know the reason already and it is taking away jobs esp the part timers, college kids. Oh you say nobody wants those jobs? Well maybe if they would pay a bit more, then you say it cuts ppl out of work? I'd rather hire 5 legals than 10 illegals, that's 5 extra better paying jobs for legals.

It is nothing more than slaveholders holding slaves to do their bidding... Back in the old days co. would hire children to do their bidding after slaves were outlawed, same thing different day. Your relatives worked hard to get labor laws, raised hell, voted out ppl. We survived fine. Soon it will be too late it could be war. Civil war over this same issue basically.