500HP Honda

[BillBoardBlood36]

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/f57a ... 1829e7.htm (http://videos.streetfire.net/video/f57a866a-cc9a-4c74-b79c-9859011829e7.htm)


Pretty tight video of a honda running threw some Domestics till he matches up with a TT Camaro, lol

[DustinsDuster]

hahahahahaha, that Honda is pretty mean, but not as mean as a TT V8, hehehehe.

still pretty impressive though.

[Ricky]

yeah i liked that honda. it was clean and looked stock. (none of that ricer crap) i would have to say i would rock that civic. :( never thought i would say that but i did and i would

[TbTalon94]

Lol I love their reactions when the TT camaro just pulls away like they are standing still. That civic is pretty sweet, but that whole not having traction thing untill 75mph is retarded...but i'm a DSMer lol.

Did anyone else notice that this turbo didn't even spool untill like 6k or somewhere around there? I guess he's probably revving to 9-10k...but i mean jesus, talk about no power under the curve. idle to 6k and no power. That would blow.

[Fire Hawk]

Lol I love their reactions when the TT camaro just pulls away like they are standing still. That civic is pretty sweet, but that whole not having traction thing untill 75mph is retarded...but i'm a DSMer lol.

Did anyone else notice that this turbo didn't even spool untill like 6k or somewhere around there? I guess he's probably revving to 9-10k...but i mean jesus, talk about no power under the curve. idle to 6k and no power. That would blow.

that'd probably explain all the racing from a roll and the "Brake Boost!!"

[Drifte]

idle to 5k stock has no power lol.

not to say 120hp is power...vtec lol

[Drifte]

oh btw i think that video rocked.

[Ricky]

^ agreed

[black88gt]

wow a 500 horsepower, 2000lb car racing nearly stock cars *yawn* talk about gun to a knife fight

"v8 camaro"-bolt ons at most, congratulations
7.5L mustang-must have been damn near stock everything

funny part of the video-the car doesnt even break 300 FT LBS

congrats on taking down some almost stock cars from a roll :sleep:

[black88gt]

o ya and with his 1/8th mile(since the ic pipe blew off just after) it works out to a low 13. at best hes running 12s in the quarter. for 500 horse and a light car, i would be extremely pissed. theres cars w/ half his hp running faster. can anyone say waste of money?

the camaro would be a driver's race in the qtr if its a STOCK m6, and the cobra would probably take him down

must suck to be a torqueless wonder

[BillBoardBlood36]

Overall that car is sweet shit, I usually dont go for the Small civic HB's but i would drive this car any day of the week

[krustindumm]

o ya and with his 1/8th mile(since the ic pipe blew off just after) it works out to a low 13. at best hes running 12s in the quarter. for 500 horse and a light car, i would be extremely pissed. theres cars w/ half his hp running faster. can anyone say waste of money?

the camaro would be a driver's race in the qtr if its a STOCK m6, and the cobra would probably take him down

must suck to be a torqueless wonder

98 cobra w/ 150 shot
Camaro
460ci mustang
480whp 300zx
EVO8

Your right, it is cool how he picked all slow, stock cars to race against.

You forgot to count his MPH into your little guess. An eigth mile run in the low 8's will generally net a high 12, low 13 quarter mile in a Civic. However, a normal eigth mile trap speed is 80mph, not 102mph. He was set for a low 12 at worst. A 500whp Honda can hook up, his was obviously not. Add whatever he is missing and I bet it would hit 10's.

Imagine that you are trying to break a bolt loose with a torque wrench. It reads 105 lb/ft and you jam something against the wrench to keep it from moving. Now look at the dial, the wrench is not moving but it still reads 105 lb/ft. This is because torque is a force. However, just torque is not enough, i mean, theres 105lb/ft on that wrench and aint shit moving. Torque applied over a distance (move the wrench) is energy. That's no good to us either, you could take 2 weeks to spin that bolt around once. Energy (force & distance) with a time constraint, that is power. Oh...did I say power, like horsepower? That's right

Since I just proved that torque means nothing I win, and you're a jackass.

[black88gt]

sorry but no. by its definition torque is required for horsepower. a car's acceleration is determined by its torque band not by its horsepower curve. a car accelerates hardest at its peak torque, even though horsepower continues to increase.

here you go

horsepower= torque X RPM / 5252

[warchild145]

haha that was a freakin stupid comment. "I just proved that torque means nothing I win"

[Drifte]

ive seen na civics run 11's with 130lb ft torque. the lack of torque makes them hook up and blast away.

showing us horsepower is calculated is cute btw.

[krustindumm]

Cars started having these things called transmissions, right about the time someone figured out how to mount an engine to a wagon. Their function is to transmit power from the engine, to the wheels. They are also torque multipliers, and yeah you got the formula correct, but I guess you don't know how to use it.

While torque is an integral part o horsepower, without motion & time (revs per min) it is nothing. The formula aplies not only when measuring at the crankshaft, but also at the wheels, this means that any increase in torque between the crankshaft and wheel results in a decrease in RPM, and visa-versa. Horsepower remains constant (minus friction losses).

This means that while the Civic may only make 300lb/ft at the crank, it will also have shorter gear ratios than say, a Camaro. The Civic also has a higher maximum RPM, thus the Civic can make a larger amount of torque at the contact patch (where it counts) than a Camaro that while it may have more torque at the crankshaft, can not make as much use of gear reduction because it is limited by RPM. That was a sweet run on sentance, but the point of all of this....

At the wheels or at the crank, horsepower is the same.

[black88gt]

i know how gearing works, and that gearing can be used to make up for a lack of torque. but the principle still stands that shifting is lost time in a 1/4 miles race, hence the popularity of glides and c4s. it is advantageous to stay high in your powerband(more gears) but with quicker cars it is simply a waste of time. dont say torque doesnt matter, because if a car lacks torque, they must make up for it with gearing, slowing the car down in the 1/4

[Drifte]

btw what do you drive 88gt. havnt seen your car listed anywhere.

[black88gt]

a black 88 gt http://www.crunderground.com/viewtopic.php?t=8989

[Drifte]

still no pics?

[black88gt]

nah, il probably get some next week, ive been really busy w/ finals coming up here. soon as thats done il have plenty of time.

[DustinsDuster]

Krustin, youve been preaching the "torque means nothing" game to me for years, and im still a non-believer. you can say torque doesnt matter all you want, in the end, what speaks louder, dyno numbers and jargin or who wins the race?

[black88gt]

exactly, dyno queens dont win races. big #s may mean you have a bigger e-dick, but its about the area under the curve not peak #s. heres an example of how torque gets you down the track. stock longblock, automatic, 100 shot

11.51 w/ a 1.44 60 ft

http://media.putfile.com/rsw007-1195

http://media.putfile.com/rsw007-in-car

the slip
http://www.badmustangsclub.com/gallery/files/1/8/2/3/2006_1105Image0003.JPG

dyno w/ 100 shot
http://f5.putfile.com/6/15319094536.jpg

n/a dyno
http://f5.putfile.com/6/15321113217.jpg

hes swapping the 410s for 373s because its running out of gear on the top end

[DustinsDuster]

god damn, that thing hooks hard, but seems to fall off on top pretty bad. i ran 11.75 at 118 on the bottle, but then again, i wasnt spraying off the line.

[Drifte]

dustin i didnt know you got into the 11's? did i?

[DustinsDuster]

12.30 @ 110 on the motor with no timing, 11.75 at 118 on the bottle with no warmer. in the cold weather, i think if i would had the bottle warmer i wouldve hit mid 11's.

[Ricky]

wow im glad to hear you made it to the 11's. yeah the last i knew it was mid 12's. when you going to be into the 10's? haha

[DustinsDuster]

i dont know, we'll see. it seems im ending up with my grandparents' old race motor, so im gonna see what i can do with only 360 cubes. its all forged, so im gonna try more nitrous...WITH A 4 SPEED!

[krustindumm]

Krustin, youve been preaching the "torque means nothing" game to me for years, and im still a non-believer. you can say torque doesnt matter all you want, in the end, what speaks louder, dyno numbers and jargin or who wins the race?


Then I think we can all get along when everyone realizes that I'm right.

[DustinsDuster]

i think the point youre trying to prove complete negates its self.

you say torque doesnt matter, yet without torque there would be no horsepower.

explain how the comment i just made is wrong.

[Ashley]

dont worry, he'll figure out some way to make it wrong, even if it makes no sense at all.

[black88gt]

lets try a little experiment with the laws of physics. lets start off with what we know. horsepower is derived from the forumula

horsepower= torque X RPM / 5252.

its a fact, its physics, no arguement there.

now lets substitue some numbers into this little equation. since you say torque is meaningless, lets use a big old 0.

so our new equation is horsepower = 0 x RPM / 5252

with the amazing power of math, we now realize that without torque, the horsepower at any given RPM will be 0. no matter what.

lets try another example. lets take our honda w/ 100 ft lbs at 5000 rpm. so its equation at 5000 would be 100 x 5000 / 5252 = 95.

for comparison, lets another motor w/ 150 ft lbs at 5000. its equation is 150 x 5000 / 5252 = 142. quite a difference for just 50 ft lbs.

another way to look at it, at 3500, the 2nd engine's equation is 150 x 3500 / 5252 = 99. so the 2nd engine makes MORE power at 3500 than the 1st does at 5000.

interesting, i guess torque really is meaningless. :roll:

[krustindumm]

o ya and with his 1/8th mile(since the ic pipe blew off just after) it works out to a low 13. at best hes running 12s in the quarter.

Except for the part where it shows he ran a 12.40 at 119 in the same race where he blew the charge piping off at the 1/8th, you could be right (or not at all).

[krustindumm]

lets try a little experiment with the laws of physics. lets start off with what we know. horsepower is derived from the forumula

horsepower= torque X RPM / 5252.

its a fact, its physics, no arguement there.

now lets substitue some numbers into this little equation. since you say torque is meaningless, lets use a big old 0.

so our new equation is horsepower = 0 x RPM / 5252

with the amazing power of math, we now realize that without torque, the horsepower at any given RPM will be 0. no matter what.

lets try another example. lets take our honda w/ 100 ft lbs at 5000 rpm. so its equation at 5000 would be 100 x 5000 / 5252 = 95.

for comparison, lets another motor w/ 150 ft lbs at 5000. its equation is 150 x 5000 / 5252 = 142. quite a difference for just 50 ft lbs.

another way to look at it, at 3500, the 2nd engine's equation is 150 x 3500 / 5252 = 99. so the 2nd engine makes MORE power at 3500 than the 1st does at 5000.

interesting, i guess torque really is meaningless. :roll:

You are forgetting about the area under the curve.

[DustinsDuster]

so all the arguments, facts and evidence i have seen telling me that V8's have more area under the curve than turbo 4cyl's were all wrong?

[Domestic Disturbance]

this is by far the dumbest argument ive ever read. torque means nothing? ahah alrite is that y that honda would only race people from a roll? sweet. imagine if it did make torque how much faster it would b. its ok u honda boys can go off making stories about if ur cars dont make it it must not b necessary. last i checked how many fast v8's r there? hondas? wow theres a curve 4 u

[black88gt]

You are forgetting about the area under the curve.


exactly, dyno queens dont win races. big #s may mean you have a bigger e-dick, but its about the area under the curve not peak #s. end

this argument is going in circles