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Deathinnovember
12-24-2004, 12:59 AM
Ok I've always had opinions on what car is fast but after being on a couple different forums my views are starting to become blurry. This isn't going to be about a dodge viper or anything like that. I'm talking about realistic everyday domestics. Now what do you guys think is faster? An 02 pontiac Trans am WS6 or a 03 Ford Mustang SVT cobra. I know with capable drivers they run about the same times. But the Trans am weighs a bit less. The cobra with just a few mods can be a fast car. Another reason for all of this is I'm making a lot of money at my job and I'm thinking about upgrading pretty soon and I don't know if to get a 03 cobra , mach 1 or a 02 WS6.

allgo
12-24-2004, 02:36 PM
Stock for stock I have never seen a ws6 even come close to a cobra!!

RandomHero
12-24-2004, 03:26 PM
Deffinetely a Cobra, WS6's are pigs

350WHT
12-24-2004, 03:33 PM
im not a mustang kind of guy but i would have to go with the cobra :roll:

Deathinnovember
12-24-2004, 08:05 PM
Stock for stock I have never seen a ws6 even come close to a cobra!!

Really? I actually have a few videos of stock WS6's keeping up with SVT cobras. Aren't the 01 and olders pretty slow though? But what do you guys think has more potentional? Which one?

DJ0820
12-24-2004, 08:12 PM
the supercharged cobra has way more potential. Slap on a pulley and hello 12s or maybe 11s. I also heard that the supercharged cobras have Manley brand connecting rods in them from the factory. Care to verify allgo? I think I have also heard of people switching from supercharger to turbo on the cobras.

allgo
12-24-2004, 08:41 PM
03-04 cobras run mid high 12's off the showroom floor!! you could spend under a $1000 and get into the 11's. As always mustangs are the cheapest cars to go fast in!!! LOTS OF RESOURCES. The cobra motor has seen upwards to 900-950hp on stock internals if that tells you how strong it is!!

NitrousJunkie
12-24-2004, 09:08 PM
2002 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am WS6 Specs

Horsepower : 320-325 hp @ 5200 rpm
Torque : 340-350 lb-ft @ 4000 rpm
Redline : 6000 rpm

Top speed : 165 mph(estimated)
0-60 mph : 5.2 sec.(manual), 6.0 sec.(auto)
0-¼ mile : 13.4 sec @ 106.2 mph(manual)
60-0 braking distance : 120 ft
200 ft skidpad : 0.88 g

Curb Weight : 3495-3517 lbs(coupe), 3605-3627 lbs(convertible)
Overall length : 193.7 in.
Wheelbase : 101.1 in.
Overall Width : 74.4 in.
Height : 51.8 in.

2003/2004 SVT Cobra Specs

Horsepower : 390 hp @ 6000 rpm
Torque : 390 lb-ft @ 3500 rpm
Redline : unknown

Top speed : 155 mph(electronically limited)
0-60 mph : 4.7 sec.
0-¼ mile : 12.7 sec @ 110.1 mph
60-0 braking distance : 116 ft

Curb Weight : 3664 lbs(coupe)
Overall length : 183.5 in.
Wheelbase : 101.3 in.
Overall Width : 73.1 in.
Height : 52.6 in.

Note The Cobra Has A 4.6 Liter Supercharged Engine - The Ws6 Trans Am Has A 5.7 Naturally Aspirated

0-60 - The Cobra Is Only .5 Seconds Quicker - 1/4 Mile There's a .7 Second Difference

The Trans Am Was Also 10 Grand Less Than The Cobra When New - I Love The Cobra But Personally I Think The 98-02 Ram Air Trans Am's Look A Hell Of Alot Better, (The 98-02 Ram Air Hood Is One of the most copied hoods in recent auto history)

~Chris

allgo
12-24-2004, 10:19 PM
Only a .5 second quicker to 60 and .7 quicker in the 1/4 mile I think most people would say that is an ass beating!! Who care if one is supercharged and the other isnt? Your sadly mistakin that the ws6 is $10,000 cheaper that means that you could have picked one up for $23,000 dont think so!

DJ0820
12-25-2004, 12:46 AM
yeah, .7 seconds at 110 mph is a few carlengths.

edit, i worked it out....

if you are going 60 mph you are travelling at 88 feet per second.

88fps/60mph=1.46 fps per mph

1.466667 fps per mph * 110 mph = 161.33333 fps you are travelling at 110 mph

161.333333*.7 seconds (how many seconds ahead you are) = 112.933331 feet ahead at the end of the 1/4 mile

carlength of the cobra = 183.5 inches...........183.5/12 = 15.2916 (length of cobra in feet)

112.933331 (lead in feet) / 15.2916 (length of cobra in feet) = 7.3853 carlengths ahead of the WS6 at the end of the quarter mile.

this is all just a rough estimate and I am fully aware that this is not 100% (maybe not even 90%) correct but it should be a decent measure to compare the 2 cars

NitrousJunkie
12-25-2004, 05:20 PM
yeah I'm not saying the cobra wouldnt wax the ws6, but for 10 grand less (come on you import guys are into buying lower priced rides and moddin them instead of buying them fast right off the show-floor =) , either way cobra = badass.

Chris

DJ0820
12-25-2004, 05:31 PM
Prices below are MSRP from the same source.

2002 Trans Am WS6
$27,895 (trans am)
+$3,290 (WS6 package)
-------------------
$31185

http://www.internetautoguide.com/reviews/45-int/sport/pontiac/firebird/2002/

2003 Mustang
Cobra coupe ($33,300)

http://www.internetautoguide.com/reviews/45-int/sport/ford/mustang/2003/index.html

It seems we have a $2115 price difference.

allgo
12-25-2004, 07:44 PM
Thanks for posting that I didnt no where to find that but I new there wasnt a 10,000 dif. 2tenths most the time is one car length!

Deathinnovember
12-26-2004, 12:47 AM
Well I love my trans am but I'm thinking about upgrading this is why I'm asking all of this. But you can pick up a SVT cobra and a Lower mileage WS6 for around the same price. Theres a black 03 with 18,XXX miles for 19 grand for sale and later on down the road if I got some money I could always pick up a TA has a second car. But So you guys I should go with the cobra?

Regeneration X
12-26-2004, 01:07 AM
88fps/60mph=1.46 fps per mph



what?!

DJ0820
12-26-2004, 01:37 AM
its pretty self expalnatory... for every 1 mph you are traveling, you are going 1.46 fps

ZEE
12-27-2004, 10:20 PM
Suggested retailprice for a 2002 WS6 is around $22,000. They don
t make them anymore so you can only get them used. So even if you were able to get an 03 cobra for 32 + a grand to get you in the 11's thats 33. 22 for a WS6 + 5 grand for heads, cam, headers and exhaust, that gets you 11's also. Do the math. That 5 grand is being generous. Or just throw some nitrous on the WS6 for five or six hundred and you can run high 11"s on that.

Ninesecsnake
12-27-2004, 10:40 PM
With the cobra you don't even need to open the engine at all, it will hold 900hp easy, so factor that in, with the WS6 the motor will not last at much above 550-600, I know someone will say but on this website thay made 700hp....maybe but not for long. Change the blower, exhaust, fuel pumps and injectors, live axle, low 10's EASY all for under $5000. I rambled long enough there is no better bang for the buck.

DJ0820
12-28-2004, 01:34 AM
Suggested retailprice for a 2002 WS6 is around $22,000. They don
t make them anymore so you can only get them used. So even if you were able to get an 03 cobra for 32 + a grand to get you in the 11's thats 33. 22 for a WS6 + 5 grand for heads, cam, headers and exhaust, that gets you 11's also. Do the math. That 5 grand is being generous. Or just throw some nitrous on the WS6 for five or six hundred and you can run high 11"s on that.

Look at my post.......MSRP = Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price...2002 WS6 != $22k

NitrousJunkie
12-28-2004, 03:28 AM
I dont know how 35 grand is bang for your buck, maybe if you have to get a loan to have a fast car and cannot sock money into it yourself, 10 grand into a ws6 would walk all over a 04 SVT, thats 25K for the ws6 35K for the Cobra, btw there's an 01 Ws6 Ram air - Black - 6 Speed - For 25K at dan Deeries and I believe its already sold, show me a stang that was built in the last 5 years hold and raise its value like that.

Chris

slow ride
12-28-2004, 07:34 AM
Anyone that would spend that kind of money on a f-body is retarded. Usually the 02's sell for a lot because it's the last production year and might be valuable to some goof in the future.

Sure you could buy the cheaper car and mod it to beat the stock Cobra, but then again you don't have the cushion of a forged factory bottom end and a factory supercharger to crank up so cheaply. Yes F-bodys love nitrous, but I can't really stand the pushbutton power. Cobra's like nitrous too.

Both cars are kinda cheap build quility wise, you are basically paying for a drivetrain and not much else. I would still take the cobra first since it's easier to work on, looks better (in my opinion) and takes to mods like a fish to water.

TbTalon94
12-28-2004, 08:02 AM
Now here's the question....do you want a Ford or do you want a Gm?

Deimos
12-28-2004, 08:58 AM
Anyone that would spend that kind of money on a f-body is retarded. Usually the 02's sell for a lot because it's the last production year and might be valuable to some goof in the future.

Sure you could buy the cheaper car and mod it to beat the stock Cobra, but then again you don't have the cushion of a forged factory bottom end and a factory supercharger to crank up so cheaply. Yes F-bodys love nitrous, but I can't really stand the pushbutton power. Cobra's like nitrous too.

Both cars are kinda cheap build quility wise, you are basically paying for a drivetrain and not much else. I would still take the cobra first since it's easier to work on, looks better (in my opinion) and takes to mods like a fish to water.

Holy shit, I must be retarded. You could always top off your LS-1 with a nice cat back turbo or whipple supercharger. Maybe some new heads. LS-1 can handle there hp very well.

slow ride
12-28-2004, 12:11 PM
You do realize that with forced induction comes the need to maintain parts like plugs, exhaust manifold gaskets, etc. a lot more. Have fun checking your plugs on a F-body LS1 often for detonation. Don't get me wrong I think head/cam LS1's are the shit, but you need to look at the upkeep of a forced induction engine much more than a NA one and thats just not easy on a LS1 F-body.

I'm not partial to Ford either as I'd take a Z06 over both of the two examples mentioned. It's just when your talking pony car bang for the buck going fast is much cheaper in the 03 cobra (after inital purchase price)

allgo
12-28-2004, 02:26 PM
First things first both cars are cool cars!! But a 04 Cobra is only $28,000 there are some brand new 03 on dealer lots going for 26,000 so dont get on here and talk about 35,000 that is for a vert not a coupe and that price also is when they first came out !! You can put your 10,000 dollars in your car and the cobra will still door you!!

Deathinnovember
12-28-2004, 02:50 PM
Now here's the question....do you want a Ford or do you want a Gm?

Personaly I don't really care I've never been that type of person to say "yeah fords suck GM rocks!" I just would never buy a GT or anything like that. I both think they're cool cards and have mad potentional. I'm able to pick up a 2002 WS6 for 18 grand and also a 01 SVT cobra for the same price.

ZEE
12-28-2004, 07:40 PM
I'm not knocking Cobras. I like them. I'm just showing both cars are good cars. I wouldn't say one is more outstanding than the other performance wise. If your looking for 11's both will get the job done for about the same amount of money overall. It just comes down to personal preference.

NitrousJunkie
12-28-2004, 08:19 PM
its all in personal preference, I dont know if the new onces are different but the older cobra's didnt have all forged bottom ends, and if your scared of changin pistons/rods in a f-body then your a pansy, anyone with money can buy a fast car, only a handfull can build one.

Chris

DustinsDuster
12-29-2004, 06:48 AM
i like how WS6's look a bit more than Cobra's, but thats not to say i think the Cobra is an ugly car, i just like the Poncho a hair more. bang for the buck and easy wise, i will say the Cobra is better. i would still go for the WS6 though, just because i like them so much.

Dustin

TbTalon94
12-29-2004, 08:04 AM
Do you want to dump some money into these cars or do you just want to have a nice decently fast stock car? If you dont want to dump money into a car and want the faster one then get the Mustang. If you want to dump money then the sky is the limit. Each one can go as fast as the other if the right amount of money is applied. It will cost more to make the WS6 faster because it is handicapped with a naturally aspirated motor (compared to the SVT). Now of course you could supercharge the WS6 for relativley cheap and have one hell of a fun ride. Didn't you say you loved your F-Body?? If you love it then dont get rid of it. You may get the SVT and say damn....wish i got that WS6. Best thing to do is go out and drive em both then which one feels comfortable get that one. Modifying them BOTH will come easy.

NitrousJunkie
12-31-2004, 05:09 AM
88fps/60mph=1.46 fps per mph



what?!

88 feet per second at 60 mph = 1.46 feet per second per mph.

Chris

69gt4speed
07-09-2005, 01:32 PM
The 03/04 cobra has manley rods, and suppose to be mahle forged pistons, forged crank in a iron block. All 03/04 4v have upgraded heads (exh ports) though some 04's have better ones, spark plug threads and cooling passages. Suggestion try to get a late 04 if possible. All 03/04 4v mach and cobra use navigator intake cams and cobra 01 exh cams. With a 2.8 pulley, cai, exhaust and tune (chip or flash) and maybe ported stock blower you will be at 500 rwhp, without blower ported, anywhere from 430 to 480. After that, mass air flow upgrade, injectors, fuel system (bap) if a kb or whipple. Another option is a small shot though some now are running 175hp, takin a chance imo.

jeds_91_stang
07-10-2005, 07:12 AM
look at http://www.ststurbo.com then decide :)

NitrousJunkie
07-10-2005, 11:34 AM
Its 2 bad were only comparing these two cars and not all domestic powered vehicles, cause I know of some serious GM powered monsters.

Chris

jeds_91_stang
07-12-2005, 10:06 PM
thers some big ford powerhouses to, however not as many as GM IMO.
cobra jet mustang was a insane factory car. not to mention all the copo cars from GM :)

69gt4speed
07-12-2005, 11:03 PM
Yea the cj was pretty fair for a street motor, I had a solid cam in it once. A friend had a dicky harrell camaro with 427, steel wheels, real basic except motor, tranny, and rear end. The main problem with those cars back then was we had little for street tires. no n2o kits, no bolt on s/c, turbos what were they? The 03 will lay waste to the cj. plus get actual gas mileage. I raced all those guys with z-28's, boss 302's, 396's, 455's, 400's, 440's. I like lining up against them now, a restoration hasn't had a chance yet. Only a restomod. Btw someone tell me does the 421 super duty here ever get out often? I saw him one night, he did a lil tire show.

blkZ28
07-26-2005, 02:49 AM
if you went for a ws6 with an sts turbo kit it could beat a o3 cobra. at 7 psi you get 60% power increase which is approx 512 hp, and installed costs around 5 grand. the cobra wouldnt have a chance. plus it would be a good sleeper. everybody knows how fast a 03 cobra is

69gt4speed
09-30-2005, 12:04 PM
If you get a super deal the ws6 will win out. A coworker has a 99 anniversary t/a with all the stuff 383 stroker, converter, tranny, rear end gear, hdrs, lid, injectors, ported heads, fuel pump, exhaust, serious cam, 11 to1 compression. He bought it for right about 22k. However it barely idles, sucks gas like crazy, there is no doubt its a race car if you pulled up next to him. Suppose to have 530hp and run low 11's on d/r. So far he won't run me, if I was driving it I'm sure it would be fast if ran as it should. Take your choice, I think forced induction is the way to go on the street considering gas prices etc. Turbo, procharger, k/b, whipple.

86svo9L
09-30-2005, 01:27 PM
its to bad u cant inlcude the sohc 427s made by ford from 65-67, the 4v ones came with 616hp and the 8v ones came with 657hp they were only available over the counter from ford for 2500 dollars....id love to get ahold of a car equiped with one of them, theres a guy around here who has one it just sits in his garage and he never drives it, he will start it up for people and thats about it...

69gt4speed
09-30-2005, 11:01 PM
I've seen a few sohc's run funny car mostly. Fairly popular in late 60's, early 70's. You can get a genesis block and get heads from dove etc. etc. I wouldn't mind having a 500+ ci in the 69 with alum heads. I do have a original 428 cj block +.030, heads, etc. toploader in the 69. What really has ticked me off more than anything really is bore spacing on the mod motor, if it was sbf bore spacing it could be king of the small blocks. it would be as good or better than the sohc.

KILL SPRAY
10-01-2005, 01:55 AM
A 03/04 cobras going to be faster then a WS6/SS.. LS1 etc.
But just remember, 03/04 have a restriction.. i think its best is in the 9s and lets see theres a Ws6 running 7.90s.... yup, LS1 rules all!!! j/k its kinda like LS1Tech vs SVTPerformance.com
stick with the Ws6.. your only going to find 03/04s for 23,000-32,000 and your cars only worth 14,000. and for 10,000 extra $$$ you can beat 03/04s around here all day long.

69gt4speed
10-01-2005, 04:32 AM
Ws6 you been sleeping under a rock or what? Who is faster all out no holds barred, a 5.7 350 ls1 tt or a 4.6 281ci 4v tt ? It's getting damn close since last year when John set records in nhra. You haven't looked at ls1tech lately? To fill you in from ls1tech

At Martin Michigan just about 15 minutes ago first run off the trailer, Casper went: 60 ft 1.0900
330 ft 2.9369
1/8 et 4.4661
1/8 mph 162.46
1000 et 5.7659
1000 mph 188.29
1/4 et 6.8660
1/4 mph 205.47
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nine Ball
CONGRATS!!!

Just curious, but what is the quickest a Ford modular motor has gone so far?

Last I heard Mihovetz's best was 6.79 @ 207.

Nice times guys, you gotta appreciate all the effort that goes into a 6-second car.


First Gen3 in the 6's@ over 200
August 15th 2005 6.8660@205.47
Cast iron block/AFR cathedral port heads.

What it has engine wise don't know weight

I think we all realize that its not gonna go 6's on stock suspension. This whole "project" was a throw-together on a borrowed car and a motor built a while back just to test the LSx platform. I mean, its 352cid! Now that Kurt/Mike/W2W have proved that the LSx motor can withstand 30+ psi from twin 80mm turbo's AND nitrous, it shows us what the motor is capable of. Notice the motor (with regular maintence and headgasket swaps ) lived long past the transmission(s) and rear end(s).

Update... News Flash read all about it. :supz:

The Accufab Race Team recently attended NHRA's National Event in Sonoma, CA held on July 28th-July 31st 2005. John Mihovetz qualified #1 after 3 rounds of qualifications in the Comp Eliminator class. He broke his personal best record running 6.65/213. His prior best was 6.65/210, pictured above.

Official nhra record not qualifying

BB/AT 6.72 208.42 09/17/05 John Mihovetz - Ontario, CA
'02 Merc Cougar Fontana, CA

KILL SPRAY
10-01-2005, 05:51 AM
Im talking about practicly stock body, stock type suspenion.. etc. From what FMFF and shit isnt the fastest pro stock or what ever 9s for the 03/04 Cobras??

Fire Hawk
10-01-2005, 06:06 AM
I thought this entire thread was suppose to be about stock vs stock.... not who's dick is bigger and can hold this or that while that guys little dick can't hold as much as mine can before falling apart.....

It's going to be a never ending Ford vs Chevy debate.... plain and simple.

69gt4speed
10-01-2005, 12:36 PM
:supz: Yea, at one time it was. I was given him a hard time. Cobras have a pwr adder stock completely unfair which then brings it up to a equiv. bigger engine. Both are good for what they are. I already said for us poor guys. If you have a ls1 keep it. If you want to buy a 2002 buy it. If you want a more rare car it could be a toss up between a 03 and say that 02 camaro ann. orange/wht one. Stalker or you other gm guys go buy chiefs camaro 15k it could be yours and rule the imports, lay the smack down. Do a few more things and call it your own. Here buy this one.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrole ... enameZWDVW (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Camaro-Super-Sport-578-HP-626-Torque-SS-Camaro-STS-Turbo-Charged_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6161QQitemZ4578 627447QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW)

It won't hurt my feelings I just want to have a lil fun with my car.
I'll kick the tires, go home and think about it. Since I lost once in 10 to a import my car is a pos anyway's. I guess it is now fair game to get a whipple or a procharger and other stuff.

KILL SPRAY
10-01-2005, 01:58 PM
:supz: Yea, at one time it was. I was given him a hard time. Cobras have a pwr adder stock completely unfair which then brings it up to a equiv. bigger engine. Both are good for what they are. I already said for us poor guys. If you have a ls1 keep it. If you want to buy a 2002 buy it. If you want a more rare car it could be a toss up between a 03 and say that 02 camaro ann. orange/wht one. Stalker or you other gm guys go buy chiefs camaro 15k it could be yours and rule the imports, lay the smack down. Do a few more things and call it your own. Here buy this one.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrole ... enameZWDVW (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Camaro-Super-Sport-578-HP-626-Torque-SS-Camaro-STS-Turbo-Charged_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6161QQitemZ4578 627447QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW)

It won't hurt my feelings I just want to have a lil fun with my car.
I'll kick the tires, go home and think about it. Since I lost once in 10 to a import my car is a pos anyway's. I guess it is now fair game to get a whipple or a procharger and other stuff.

I forgot Chief was selling his Z28, too bad I bought my SS, otherwise Id comsider the chiefs car.
Id still buy a 03/04 cobra... bad ass cars and fast right outta the box.

69gt4speed
10-03-2005, 10:52 PM
Well the ebay camaro went for 18k. Not bad if all is legit.

Deathinnovember
10-13-2005, 12:53 AM
Wow I made this post so long ago. Thats awesome it's still being discussed. After all the time that this thread has been here I've really matured and realized that the 03 cobra is the superior car. But I'm still happy with my choice .

69gt4speed
10-13-2005, 03:56 AM
Yea you did a good job and all the others did too. No mad sh-t all the crap talk. Shows we can give a objective opinion. And
Deathinnovember you can drive my 03 sometime, I can even swap back on the stock pulley in a few min. I never voted btw. Sometime I'll get enough time to get some things done right on the car.

Deathinnovember
10-13-2005, 04:39 AM
Yea you did a good job and all the others did too. No mad sh-t all the crap talk. Shows we can give a objective opinion. And
Deathinnovember you can drive my 03 sometime, I can even swap back on the stock pulley in a few min. I never voted btw. Sometime I'll get enough time to get some things done right on the car.

I really appreiate that. If we ever meet I might have to take you up on that offer. I've always wanted to drive a cobra but have never gotten the chance. If you want your welcome to drive my car too. It's nothing compared to yours but it has lots of torque and responsiveness. :rolleyes:

69gt4speed
10-20-2005, 05:00 AM
You coming to 16th advance auto thurs evening? I probably will stop over see what kind of deal on struts I can get at jc's.

Deathinnovember
10-20-2005, 07:09 AM
i should be. Because it might be the last time. I live in iowa city so it's a long drive for me and I rarely come. I came last thursday and no one showed up. Only about 8 cars and everyone started leaving once I got there.

They have a cobra for sale here in IC. It looks pretty cool. It's a 01. The hood is weird though.

Guch
10-23-2005, 07:43 PM
F-bodies forever. Wait the don't build them anymore. Maybe F-bodies will be resurrected

Deathinnovember
10-23-2005, 08:43 PM
F-bodies forever. Wait the don't build them anymore. Maybe F-bodies will be resurrected

I highly doubt it. Not in the near future atleast. GM canceled the zeta (A RWD V8 reshearch) program. That was the last chance we had of getting the f-body back.

From my understanding the reason GM canceled the f-body was because they wanted to pursue FWD vehicles and 4 cylnder performance. They were trying to go with the hype but in the process of that they pissed a lot of people off.

My guess eventually is the bring the camaro back. But I think the trans am is gone forever.

ZEE
10-24-2005, 08:39 PM
Ya never know. Everybody though the GTO was gone forever too.

69gt4speed
10-25-2005, 03:30 AM
From my understanding the reason GM canceled the f-body was because they wanted to pursue FWD vehicles and 4 cylnder performance. They were trying to go with the hype but in the process of that they pissed a lot of people off.

That's all marketing talk imho. Should I give you the reason? What in domestic same category outsold the f body 3 to 1. Answer, you have one. Bluntly in corporate bean counter meeting, it kicked our ass, wtf don't you designers and engineers have a clue? We are losing our ass cancel it. So it was and now management isn't sticking their neck out to ok some rwd project for production. I'm not happy either believe me. :Hangman: Ion redline, cobalt sst, monte ss s/c. f body guys want one? not.

Deathinnovember
10-25-2005, 11:21 AM
Ya never know. Everybody though the GTO was gone forever too.

one can dream :rolleyes:

What was the last year for production before they brought it back in 04?

69gt4speed
10-25-2005, 11:50 AM
Survey says 1974, sold 7058, looked like a nova/ventura 350 chevy engine 200hp.
Link
Last Gto (http://www.pontiac-gto.net/history/1974/hist_1974.html)

Deathinnovember
10-26-2005, 05:39 AM
Wow, so the GTO was gone for 30 years before GM brought it back. Maybe it'll be the same with the f-body. We'll see it back in 2042 haha.

NoszerO
10-27-2005, 04:37 AM
They had a 06' version of the 69 Z28 ready to go and Killed the project..that ain't right. ( I worked 7 years at a GM dealership, 3 years as a service manager).

69gt4speed
10-27-2005, 12:22 PM
[quote="Guch";p="83670":72ae8]F-bodies forever. Wait the don't build them anymore. Maybe F-bodies will be resurrected

I highly doubt it. Not in the near future at least. GM Canceled the (Zeta (A RWD V8 research) program). That was the last chance we had of getting the f-body Back.

My guess eventually is the bring the camaro back. But I think the trans am is gone forever.[/quote:72ae8]

Note:Zeta prototype

That's what you are talking about I believe, Marc will chime in.

Deathinnovember
10-27-2005, 12:39 PM
hehe what is there to chime in . I already explained it.

The zeta program was a RWD V8 reshearch program that was canceled to make way for FWD performance vehicles. Damn you GM . That was our last chance of getting the f-body back. It's more then likely that its gone forever or atleast a very long time.

Stutz
10-27-2005, 06:58 PM
its all canada's fault thats why the fbody is never coming back

ZEE
10-27-2005, 07:58 PM
Lets Bomb Canada!! :axe:

69gt4speed
10-28-2005, 12:16 AM
They could build it in mexico here is what they already export there.

GM Mexico Exports:
United States -- Cavalier, Sunfire, Silverado, Suburban, Aztek (CY2000)
Canada -- Cavalier, Sunfire, Silverado, Suburban
IPC - Cavalier, Sunfire, Silverado, Suburban, Suburban RHD
Argentina – Cavalier
Chile - Cavalier, Suburban
Ecuador – Cavalier
Peru – Cavalier
Central America and Caribbean - Cavalier, Sunfire, Chevy, Chevy RHD Silverado, Suburban, Kodiak

Don't ask me about ford too hard to figure it out, they don't export stangs about all I can say.