408 TT build up

[BGjohnson]

Let me run you through the car as it sits right now.1989 Mustang GT, fully repainted with a cobra body kit and 04 cobra wheels. Engine is a stock 74 block with a scat Competition rotating assembly 0 oz balanced, ARP 2000 Rod bolts and Diamond 36cc dished pistons, supposedly good for 1200+, and a custom cam from FTI. The block is only good for 800ish, some people run 900+. Compression should be around 8:1. Trans is a TKO 600 that had all gears and shafts cryo-treated and all the updates from Promotion power train with their shift finger and shifter. Spec stage 3+ clutch, 26 spline. Everything controlled by megasquirt still running MS1 extra. 31 spline Moser axles with a pro diff from Strange. Everything is stopped by 99 cobra brakes This combo has been running for about 6 years ( megasquirt only for 2 and rear end for 1 ) and all the little things I've done to the car I don't have enough time to list. N/A it's put down 440 RWHP and 465 RWHP and ran the best of 11.3 @ 122 last year at the RP shootout.

Now, the car was obviously built for boost but I could never afford it. So I am selling my beautiful 1986 SVO with 25k miles, single owner car to fund this project. I won't be getting a newer car this year..or probably next. Anywho I'm making sacrifices to make this happen, it's been an 11 year dream with the car and I'm finally doing it. The setup will be a twin turbo hotside fabbed up by Pony Down, twin 66mm turbos, and I'm going to try and fab up the cold side myself. The fuel system is using a magnafuel 525 prostar pump, magnafuel regulator and filters. Aeromotive rails and Jegs 350 soft AN line. -10 feed and -8 return.

Which right now I got some parts in the mail.

Currently I'm making my crank case breathing system bigger. I only had 3/8's elbows on the back of the valve covers running through the fender and into a catch can. Now I'm having 90* -10 elbow's welded in to the back of the VC's.The filler neck has always leaked at the gromet, so I chopped off the nipple and that will be tig welded solid. Here are pics.

[BGjohnson]

BTW, this build will take awhile. Could take up to a year, could take 4 months, it all depends on funds and time. Mostly the dude that is making my hotside, he's had problems in the past taking up to 8 months.

[c_mart_28]

Awesome. Can't wait to see your progress, knowing your past work, it will be top notch Chris.

Your fox is one of my favorites of the breed. Good choice on the Magnafuel pump, same one I had. Best part, if you need it upgraded, it is literally like $80 for them to do it.

Looks like I'm going to have to step my game up!!

[90 notch]

BTW, this build will take awhile. Could take up to a year, could take 4 months, it all depends on funds and time. Mostly the dude that is making my hotside, he's had problems in the past taking up to 8 months.Bring it to us.....we'll have it done in 2weeks!!!!!

[Sleepy]

Woo Woo I was looking forward to this post!

Its going to be awesome Chris.

One thing I forgot to ask the other day. Are you going to stay with MS1 or are you going to move to something else?

MS has now come out with MS3-Pro.

I agree with Casey, my favorite Fox body hands down.

[snickerlicker]

Bring it to us.....we'll have it done in 2weeks!!!!!

This x2!

[BGjohnson]

End goal is to run MS3, I'm not going to build that one, going to buy a pre built unit this time.

Casey, yep that was my thought entirely. Plus they have a perfect record for street driving

[JacobS]

sounds pretty nasty. good luck!

[slow ride]

Can you run any more compression than 8:1? No reason you can't run more which will help off boost crispness/response. If you plan to use e85 you should really bump it up. I understand if it's already set up that way with parts you are using, but I wouldn't go that low on purpose.

[BGjohnson]

I had the engine built like 7 years ago, it's been running for 6. I did use a slightly thinner mls gasket, so its probably closer to 8.8:1. If you talk to anybody who's driven in the car, it does NOT lack crispness. It made 350 ft lbs of torque below 2000 rpms.

[slow ride]

Thats what I figured. Having a large displacement engine helps a lot on the street. Any ideas of what size turbos you will want to run? It should be a bad mutha. Any plans for a cam swap, etc or just going to run the longblock as is?

[BGjohnson]

Going to do another custom cam from FTI. These stock 69-74 blocks live pretty long below 6000. So my new cam should be below that, plus Mine is pretty wild now and I get 10-11 mpg. I'd like more vac at idle and better drivability.

Turbos will be around a 66mm, think they will be either Master Powers or Borg warners.

[90 notch]

Going to do another custom cam from FTI. These stock 69-74 blocks live pretty long below 6000. So my new cam should be below that, plus Mine is pretty wild now and I get 10-11 mpg. I'd like more vac at idle and better drivability.

Turbos will be around a 66mm, think they will be either Master Powers or Borg warners.Whos building the turbo kit???

[90 notch]

We have a couple of 67mm units you may be interested in...steve o

[BGjohnson]

What brand?

Pony down is building the headers and downpipe

[AutoMods]

nice project. should be awesome to follow

[stangvortech]

cool build! keep up updated!

[BGjohnson]

Got some goodies in the mail today!

[Sleepy]

That fuel pump is huge.

[Deimos]

Good luck man. Lol you sound like my goals 11 years ago. I dont know how much chris and steve charge but they do awesome work. I will post up pics of the new stainless headers I bought for the price point it wasnt a bad deal... like under 800...

[Drifte]

I dont think I've seen any pics of the car. Should post a couple up, Im curious now with several people saying its the nicest they've ever seen.

[BGjohnson]

Compared to most foxes that are ragged out, yes it is nice and well put together.But it's not anything special.

[Larsons Fox]

Sounds like it's going to run pretty good! I was impressed how well it ran NA considering the compression.

Let me know if you ever need a hand.

[BGjohnson]

Here's a few pics from the track, street trim has different wheels.

Here's gopro vids from the track.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohYRt16PpTw

[BGjohnson]

Glennsperformance sumped tank came today. Ordered with stainless sump and baffles.

[AutoMods]

odd shape

[sparkles]

I wonder what kinda MPGs it will be getting when you're done. Also, what do expect the drag coefficient to be at 100mph?

[Sleepy]

Are you going to have the tank powder coated or are you going to keep the stainless polished?

Regarding the MPG I believe Chris is shooting to compete with the Prius line up.

[FiFdYnUtZ]

What gap do you plan to run on your plugs? Also interested in the injector efficiency, do you expect the duty cycle to stay in a comfortable range while running in different temperatures?

[Scott]

I know a guy running a stock bottom end 351TT with a auto in waterloo, also switching to MS ecu over the winter.. Cool project man I like that car

[BGjohnson]

I'm going to bed line coat the tank and polish the stainless.

I know you guys are giving shit about MPG, but really though, I plan on going from 11.5mpg average to 15mpg with the new cam swap, MS3, and 3.27 gears. My goal is to hit 20mpg hwy.

[BGjohnson]

More parts!

-8, -10, -12 lines and AN fittings for the end of the rails. I'll order the rest after mockup.

Also additional fuel pump brace since the damn thing weighs 9 lbs.

[slow ride]

What are you doing for the trans? As gay as it sounds it's nice to have a toy car get decent milage for heading out of town and what not. I think I've got over 500 miles on a tank in the vette, but they do really well on the highway stock. Shit drops like crazy in town though.

[BGjohnson]

It's got a Tremec TKO 600, MMR pro trans 900, with a 26 spline input. It's been reworked by promotion power train with their shift finger, polished lugs, ect... With a spec stage III + clutch, PMP quick release quadrant, extended clutch fork, firewall stabilizer/adjuster, PMP power shifter base with Tri-ax shifter handle, and a Lakewood blow proof bellhousing.

Woof, that was a mouthful.

I used to not care about MPG too much, but when you get around 10mpg, it gets kind of old. Since I'm selling my SVO I want something I can cruise in as well, the old setup beat you up after an hour or two. I'm hoping with the turbo cam and impeller resonators ;), it will be nicer to do cruises with.

[AutoMods]

I wonder what kinda MPGs it will be getting when you're done. Also, what do expect the drag coefficient to be at 100mph?

sparkles just asked about mpg's to make fun of me. he thought my mpg question in the truck thread was retarded. he doesn't realize that it was actually a good question.

but because he hates me, his mind unconsiously tells him that anything i say is retarded

http://static.someecards.com/someecards/usercards/1324596542030_7713053.png

[BGjohnson]

This is insane, how do I have 743 views on a local car forum?! I haven't even gotten 200 on national forums, scares me a bit posting up all my shit. Good thing it's not a Honda!

[Sunny Z]

This is insane, how do I have 743 views on a local car forum?! I haven't even gotten 200 on national forums, scares me a bit posting up all my shit. Good thing it's not a Honda!

Don't get a big head. Work has been slow and I get on here every 4 minutes. I have like 723 of the views.

http://rlv.zcache.com/awesome_smiley_sticker-p217764211963271445en7l1_216.jpg

[snickerlicker]

Have you ever posted any pics of your SVO? One owner, must be very nice.

[BGjohnson]

She is very nice and for sale. Breaks my heart to part with it, but I need the money to fund this project. :(

[snickerlicker]

She is very nice and for sale. Breaks my heart to part with it, but I need the money to fund this project. :(

Very nice! If it were me I would keep it, but you gotta do what you gotta do. GLWS, someone will be getting a nice ride.

[Scott]

She is very nice and for sale. Breaks my heart to part with it, but I need the money to fund this project. :(

Keep it!!

[BGjohnson]

If I kept it, this project will be dead in the water by the end if the month. We will see how much I get from taxes.

[AutoMods]

the 89 looks better and will always be more powerful. i'm guessing the svo already gets ignored, let'er go

[BGjohnson]

They get about equal drive time and care. Problem with the SVO is, it's so nice I can't bring myself to mod it. Which I would love to do.

[snickerlicker]

Bought a GMC Syclone brand new in 91, sold it about 6 years later to fund a project similar to what you are doing. I still regret it to this day. Food for thought..

[AutoMods]

Bought a GMC Syclone brand new in 91, sold it about 6 years later to fund a project similar to what you are doing. I still regret it to this day. Food for thought..


that hurts, those are bad ass.

[snickerlicker]

that hurts, those are bad ass.

Yeah, I ended up buying another Syclone a few years after I sold my project car but it just wasn't the same, being it was a used one..

[Sleepy]

I would like to add one note, Chris is the second owner of the SVO, he purchased it from the original owner a year or two ago.

The SVO is super nice and I never knew all the little features ford put into them, however the other mustang is Chris's baby.

[Scott]

the 89 looks better and will always be more powerful. i'm guessing the svo already gets ignored, let'er go

yeah but people build really nice fox bodies all the time and in a modified state like that it doesnt matter if you start with a 4 cylinder or a 5.0, they can be duplicated. but a original low mileage car like that cannot.. Whether it be a SVO, SVT Cobra, Syclone, GN whatever.

I mean do what you gotta do, Im sure whatever you decide will end up great in the end.

[Sleepy]

I wish I had the funds to buy the svo. However really it needs to go to a collector who will keep it in tip top shape and keep the miles off it.

[BGjohnson]

The 89 is my first car, so its my forever car. The SVO had always been a dream car to own. I bought and sold a ton of cars, making a little profit on each one, finally saved enough to buy the SVO. Only I wasn't looking for one so rare, it just kind of fell into my lap. I thought I would be able to mod it. So I got it running perfect, fixed the little things, but still can't bring myself to mod it. It needs to go to somebody who will appreciate it as it sits and keep good care of it. Right now it sits in my garage which is humidity and temp controlled. Written it goes up for sale it won't be cheap and won't go to just anybody with money.

[BGjohnson]

More goodies!.

Got my MS3 daughterboard with new case. Can't wait to start tuning with it!

I had an ok propane soldering iron for basic 14-20 gauge wiring, but it was too hot for circuit board stuff. Bought a nice little weller with spare tips for the megasquirt mods.

Then my old fuel level sensor was going whacky, so I picked a new one up from 50resto.

I don't have much more coming at this point, getting tapped out until I sell the SVO or get my taxes back. I need my valve covers back, got AN elbows tig'd for my bigger catch can setup. Then mock up the fuel system and order fittings, Then slap together the MS3 setup and I should be good to run N/A until the turbo stuff comes in.

Oh, and the dude making my hotside is not responding so I'm going with BG Turbo systems. Brian over there is a great guy.

[BGjohnson]

Got a little bit done this weekend. Got my new tank coated with bedliner, cut my tank rock guard for the sump and repainted it along with the tank straps. I just have to paint the underside of the mustang where the tank goes and I can start mounting up my fuel system.

[BGjohnson]

Just got my valve covers back. They now have -10 90* fittings tig welded on the back for my catch can and the filler neck is tigged from underneath, since it always leaked. Painted em up and polished the raised lettering real quick. Also coated the back underside of the mustang and pulled the megasquirt out to install the MS3 in it.

Thanks to Scott at Nightmare Motorsports for the tig work!

[Sleepy]

Looking great Chris.

I actually made it out to the garage this weekend and worked a bit on both cars. Then hell froze over. Go figure.

[BGjohnson]

Got my megasquirt out of the car. Modded the current board to accept the MS3 daughterboard. Slapped it in the new case and voila.

I'm going to hook it up to a stim this weekend to check operation, but all I had to do was add a jumper and bolt the two boards together and assemble the new case. MS3 gives me better fuel control, faster processor and 16x16 fuel/timing cells instead of 12x12. Plus a massive amount of add ons if I want it and ability to datalog using an SD card.

[Sleepy]

Like boost by gear

[BGjohnson]

Progressive n2o, water/ meth injection, sequential spark and fuel, a huge amount of sensor inputs and motor outputs, anti-lag, launch control with traction control. I could go on :)

[BGjohnson]

Got some more work done this weekend. Pump mounted up, made sure it would clear the tank.

Didn't get that many pics. But I also removed all the old fuel lines, rails, injectors. Also modded the fuel pump harness for the new relay wiring, put the fuel pump block off plate, and put in the new fuel level sensor.

Just need to get a new filler neck grommet and start ordering fittings.

[BGjohnson]

Got more done this weekend. Ran feed and return lines to the front of the car. Made a mount for my pressure regulator. Assisi just ordered the last of my AN fittings last night and my new oil catch can. I will get some more pics up tonight.

[Sleepy]

Assisi?

What did you do with your old catch can?

[BGjohnson]

Assisi, Russian for phone fail.

I still got it, $20 if you want it :)

[93stang5oh]

Looking good Chris, you've really come along since the old MidwestStangs days. :)

[Sleepy]

Howdy Ho Don!

Chris hold onto it. I will take it. Gives me a reason to come check out your progress.

[93stang5oh]

Howdy Ho Don!

Chris hold onto it. I will take it. Gives me a reason to come check out your progress.

Howdy, I'm assuming this is NEON from the old days? :)

[BGjohnson]

Thanks Don!

[BGjohnson]

Here are pics.

[BGjohnson]

Fuel system should be complete by the end of the day. Ran into a slight snag where I have the pre pump filter mounted, so now I am going to make a bracket that lowers it 6 inches. The reason for the change was, I had it mounted too high up so I was told it would cause pump feed issues on startup. I might even get it to fire on the new MS3 today.

But I gotta drop the tank again for my battery relocate idea, so we will see.

Also I should have my new catch can setup finished up today too.

I will get pics after everything is done.

[86svo9L]

Good thing you caught that potential issue now. Looking forward to seeing this thing complete!

[sparkles]

I have to head to the OReilly's for some stuff this morning. I might swing by and take a peek if that's cool.

[BGjohnson]

So fuel system is finally complete. I can't believe how much money the lines and AN fittings were, I want to cry a little :(

Anyways, didn't get to the catch can yet. It won't take long at all to get it mounted and lines ran.

Here's the pics of the bracket I made, pretty spiffy if I do say so myself.

[BGjohnson]

Here's the filter mounted up and a shot of my Y block. Kind of a cluster up front right now, I don't have anything secured since I have to tear the intake back off of it soon.

[Deimos]

Looking good keep up the awesome work

[AutoMods]

ya the AN prices sneak up on you. keep up the good work

[BGjohnson]

Got some more parts in. Took over a month to get my custom cam, specs are smaller than my current cam ( not by much ) with less duration on the intake, less lift on the exhaust, and a wider lobe separation ( more idle vaccum ). It should still have a healthy thump at idle, but net me better MPG's, drivability and fast spool up times.

Double roller chain is one of the best you can get, nitride gear sets, pre stretched chain, and special thrust bushing.

Out goes the gear drive, so I had to get a new timing cover since my old one was machined to accept the gear drive set up.

[AutoMods]

the aussie's make good stuff

[sparkles]

It should still have a healthy thump at idle, but net me better MPG's,
Do I dare ask?

[BGjohnson]

Mid teens in town, 20+hwy is my goal.

[Deimos]

Its amazing how turbos love more steetable cams and gears.

[BGjohnson]

Well fuck.

After removing my cam I found some odd markings on my #1 cam journal bearing. It measures 2.085, spec max is 2.081. Currently my clearance is .0005, which is .0003 over spec. So the damn short block is coming out and getting new bearings.

It's been together for 6 years with 6,000 miles. 3 of those years it was over fueled a bunch from nailing down a good tuning system. It may have washed the bearings a little. The #2 cam journal spec is perfect. So maybe my gear drive messed it up, excessive thrust play, or something else.

The cam itself is perfect, no score marks or barely any proof it's even been ran.

Either way, she's getting new rings and bearings. I'm going to be pushing this combo pretty hard and I want to make sure it's good to go.

Here's a pic.

[slow ride]

I sort of wish I went through everything also, but I can save that for next winter if my junk works and stays in one piece :)

[sparkles]

New bearings? Pff...pussy.

[BGjohnson]

Well I got everything torn down.

Pulled the pan and it was spotless, so no shavings or gunk. Pickup screen was clean. I did not pull a rod or main bearing cap, machine shop is going to check everything out for me and save the bearings so I can check them out later.

I did find one concerning thing though. The left side head exhaust valves are white and the right are black, looks like for some reason the left side is running lean :/


Any ideas why?

I did find some gunk build up in the coolant ports in the left side head. Not enough I would think to cause an issue.

[slow ride]

Does the car run in closed loop at all during low throttle conditions? If so it might be the 02 on that side or the ECU. Not sure how your intake manifold distribution is either, but it is strange it's all on one side. Good thing you found it now though. Did you have a wideband on it and if so what bank?

[BGjohnson]

The mega squirt doesn't read the narrow band.

After thinking about it, I was still rocking the stock fuel rails. I wonder if that was the issue.

[snickerlicker]

Drivers side bank is always the leanest bank, #7 cylinder is the worst. Always nice to run the wideband o2 in that side of exhaust if you are only running one.

[BGjohnson]

that's where I had my wide band

[slow ride]

Before or after an h or x ?

[Sleepy]

Not to talk for Chris, however it was before the x pipe.

[BGjohnson]

In the end of the long tube header collector.

[slow ride]

So what were ~AFR's at full and part throttle? I know it's going to move around a lot during transitions, but just a ballpark.

[BGjohnson]

I had it pretty lean for cruise and part throttle. Cruise was 14-16:1 hwy, 13-14 in town. Everything else was around 13.

[AutoMods]

my stock lq4 truck head 200k miles looks closer to your passenger head but maybe not quite as rich as yours

http://automods.com/temp/rx7/lq4_head.jpg

[slow ride]

I would associate most of that to carbon/pcv oil buildup due to age/miles Ryan. It would have been interesting to see what the other side was reading under all conditions.

[Scott]

I've always heard generally the corner cylinders were problem childs of SBF, but thats generally carb'd engines.

Maybe check the combustion chamber volumes and piston top to deck "deck height basically" see if both sides of the engine have the same compression?

[93stang5oh]

Drivers side bank is always the leanest bank, #7 cylinder is the worst. Always nice to run the wideband o2 in that side of exhaust if you are only running one.

Great, I have mine on the right side. :(

[BGjohnson]

cranking compression was within a few psi of each other.

[BGjohnson]

I'm still going to lap the valves on both heads just to clean up the seats a little. Now I did have a pcv hooked up for a few years on this setup before I went with a catch can.

[BGjohnson]

Got a decent amount done during the week.

Got my engine back, besides that one bearing everything looked good. But always a good thing when pushing this much power to refreshen. It had been about 8 years since the engine was built.

I cleaned my heads all up, lapped the valves and put in new viton valve seals. Put the studs back on the engine and torqued everything down.

I also am not using my cometic head gaskets anymore, I put on Felpro 9333 PT1's, people have made 1000hp with them. But I mainly want them because I want a fuse if something goes wrong with the tune/boost/gas etc... I can't put the stress into the block if something goes wrong, I'd rather pop a headgasket.

Also welded in my turbo drain fittings in the pan. I wish I would have spaced them out a bit more, but I should be able to make them work.

[Newgen]

Lookin good sir!

[Sleepy]

Good call on the head gaskets. When are we putting this beast in?

[BGjohnson]

Soon..soon

[BGjohnson]

Got some sexy parts ordered today. I may goo when they come at my doorstep.

[BGjohnson]

Well I got some stuff done tonight, I've been losing motivation so I had to just muscle through this.

Did something a little different with my battery box install. Bought a universal kit and modified it a little bit.

Instead of it hanging out on the right side and sitting up high, I thought I'd sink it into the spare tire well. Ran into a few obstacles; first, the kit came with studs to hold the battery down. The kit wanted you to have a nut and washer on the bottom and a nut on top. The gas tank sits flush up against spare tire well, so I had to modify that. I welded the washer on the bottom of the stud, so that problem solved.

Onto the next issues. The middle of the spare tire well sits up higher than the outsides. So I was going to sound deaden the spare tire well anyways, so I just layered the front to even out the box and help with any vibrations from the new pump mount.

THEN, the studs were not threaded all the way down, so I couldn't get the nuts to tighten up against the box SO I rethreaded the rest of the rods. Then had to trim up the rod so the battery lid could go on.

So, here it is. I will be running wire soon. Running 2 gauge to a starter solenoid mounted in the back, then right to my starter. Then a 4 gauge to my power distribution block in the drivers fender. Then running a ground to the body, then directly to the block. And somehow running all of this through a cutoff switch.

I know all of this is simple crap, and this explanation is way to long for the end result. But, it's my thread damn it!!

[BGjohnson]

My injectors came yesterday, woo!

[Sunny Z]

ETA on the snails?

[BGjohnson]

They put their order in once a week, so the order went in today. I'd guess a week or so?! Gates will be a little longer because they needed the flanges that come with them to weld on the hotside. So it has to go to the shop first, then get sent to me.

[Sleepy]

You have like 4 to many injectors there.

[BGjohnson]

Got a few more things done and a few more parts.

My electrical is coming along, it looks like balls now because I'm not quite done, but gives you an idea. The pic is looking at the back of the car, Starter solenoid on the left, cutoff switch up top and 200amp fuse going to my distribution block up front. Far left, you can't see in the pic, is my ground stud where all my shiz grounds from the body all the way up to the block. My starter wire is also ran along with my starter solenoid trigger wire that's Y's from the actual starter to my solenoid. Then I got my shutoff switch in place and the stud drilled through the plate, so I can just pop the plate off when I'm at the track.

OK, enough of the boring crap. Got my turbos!!

[93stang5oh]

It's coming along, I'm finally going to work on mine this weekend.

[AutoMods]

Got a few more things done and a few more parts.

My electrical is coming along, it looks like balls now because I'm not quite done, but gives you an idea. The pic is looking at the back of the car, Starter solenoid on the left, cutoff switch up top and 200amp fuse going to my distribution block up front. Far left, you can't see in the pic, is my ground stud where all my shiz grounds from the body all the way up to the block. My starter wire is also ran along with my starter solenoid trigger wire that's Y's from the actual starter to my solenoid. Then I got my shutoff switch in place and the stud drilled through the plate, so I can just pop the plate off when I'm at the track.

OK, enough of the boring crap. Got my turbos!!


you hearing a lot of good stuff about the comp turbos ? jesse has twin comps in the viper. I've thought about setting up an account with them

[BGjohnson]

I tried finding bad reviews of the Comps, there really aren't any. Of course there are some, but not the same failures. They are fairly tough.

[BGjohnson]

OK, quick update. My wiring is done! My fuel pump relay is installed, batt relocate wiring is finished, remote starter solenoid is working and safety cutoff switch is in place. Cut the carpet around the battery. Only thing I need to do is make a board to support the carpet around it since it's pretty floppy.

I got my pump to prime and build pressure, and it's pretty darn quiet.

I'm almost done with my intercooler mounting. Took my a/c condenser brackets and modified them to lower the intercooler another few inches. Had to cut a little bit of my bumper support, but it's sitting perfect right now. Just need to finish the upper mounts and make some tabs to center the lower mounts. It's like this car was made to have an intercooler in it!

I had to remove the factory power steering cooler ( just a line in a loop ). So I'm going to get a tiny oil cooler and mount it next to the intercooler. After that, the engine/trans will go in, I will finish up my catchcan setup and wait on the hotside. Which it should be here in the next week or two, so I better move my ass!!

[sparkles]

Ask Justin his opinion on using that fuse block

[Newgen]

I bought an extremely baller fuse block. So balller I haven't even picked it up from Tony yet lol... If you end up having issues with it let me know and i'll get the name of the one I have.

[bizzle]

yeah they tend to make mustangs burst into flames

[BGjohnson]

Greeeat. Are they not rated at continuous duty? I can get a fuse from a Forklift that is rated higher.

[BGjohnson]

I bought an extremely baller fuse block. So balller I haven't even picked it up from Tony yet lol... If you end up having issues with it let me know and i'll get the name of the one I have.

Yes please, this one is a bit flimsy.

[sparkles]

They must not be. Although his was mounted under hood, it wasn't near anything that was hot. Plastic just seemed to get too hot a few times and melted pretty much, grounding out.

[BGjohnson]

Ok, I think I might put a rubber backing on it then. I noticed the way it was made, the plastic is very thin separating the mounting surface and terminal lugs. I will keep a close eye on it, I wanted to do a circuit breaker anyways, so I might just order that.

[BGjohnson]

More stuff done. I got a lot done, but it was just a frustrating as shit.

So I got my flywheel, clutch, bellhousing mounted up. Clutch looked OK, bit toasty but good amount of material left and it gripped. So fuck it, it's going back in until it blows.

Slapped it all back in, then found this the goddamn engine mounting plate on my k member bowed out. Could have been from the trans and engine hanging off of it, or the torque pulling the mount out. Either way I pulled it again, hammered and bent the thing flat again. I use shims to space engine up so my oil pan doesn't hit my steering rack, so I just welded them together and did a bunch of hard tacks to the K member. It's now strong as hell and doesn't flex at all. For some reason I had to add another shim under my right side and elongate the hole on the left side plate to get the engine level again. So I hope I didn't change the height too much, pretty important for my turbo hotside!

While welding, slag got on my phone, melted part of the screen and cracked it. Great..

Anyways, got the trans up and everything is bolted in. Just have to finish my ground wiring, starter wiring, catch can lines routing, slap on the intake, accessories, dizzy, radiator, hook up the fuel lines and get my vac lines figured out, oil pressure fittings.

Once the hotside shows up, it's gonna be lots of part store and hardware store runs.

[AutoMods]

you forgot the most interesting picture, the melted cell phone

[Sleepy]

Damn Chris. The phone blows. Sorry I was not able to come out and help this weekend. You got a ton done though!

[93stang5oh]

Can't wait to see it in person. I'll give you a call next week so we can setup a time to get the old gang together. I'll also see if I can get some pics taken of the torque boxes so you can see what we did. I'm itching to get mine back together and get the TunerStudio hooked up.

[BGjohnson]

Update.

Almost done with what I can do. Then we wait on the hotside.

Meanwhile in the garage.. I got the upper and lower mounted, put on the rails, injectors, fuel lines, harness is hooked up, and vac lines are routed

Only thing I have left is put on accessories, and run lines to my new catch can and weld up some cracks in the torque boxes.

Otherwise, everything else needs to be done with the turbos mounted.

Here's a vid clip of my pump priming. http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k65/bgjohnson/th_VID_20130522_211714_297_zps3a6520a4.jpg (http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k65/bgjohnson/VID_20130522_211714_297_zps3a6520a4.mp4)

Now this pic of the starter/wiring has me a bit worried. Somehow a 3 inch downpipe has to fit down there. I'm worried the wires will pretty much be in the way and I'm going to have to plug the holes and reroute the starter and ground wire. Otherwise, I think trimming the scatter shield is a givin as well. The downpipes will be coated inside and out with ceramic coating, along with the wastegate pipes. So heat shouldn't be horrible. I'll just have to wait and see how it's all built once I get it and go from there.

[Sleepy]

Have they given you an update on the arival time of the hotside?

Looks great, hopefully the down pipe fits with out to much trouble.

[BGjohnson]

Next week if all goes well.

[Scott]

wow, surprised you could fit any exhaust around those battery cables. I ran mine straight forward of the starter and across the K-member to drivers side starter solenoid hidden in the fender

[BGjohnson]

I figured if I have to rotate it up, that might give me clearence. I'm going to wrap the cables in shielding . I just wish I had everything!

[sparkles]

This thing is gonna be nuts when it's done.

[BGjohnson]

Getting bored waiting on my hotside. So I pulled the exhaust housing off my turbos, I heard good things about VHT ceramic spray paint. Prepped em and put on a few coats. We will see how it holds up, if it's anything else like VHT products, I'm sure it will do fine.

I'm sure you guys are as bored with this update as I am waiting for parts :/

[Sunny Z]

Should have bought a set of snails from NRE that are mirror images. That would be TEH SECKS. I don't think they sell them other than on their kits. They probably wouldn't sell them to you anyway, putting them on a ferd.

[derek072887]

Turbonetics ONLY make mirror twins for NRE that is a fact. Unsure if NRE would sell them though.

[BGjohnson]

Mirrors would be nice, it would make routing a little easier.

[Deimos]

Nre does sell them outside of the kit but those boys want a pretty penny for that shit. Maybe I can find it but im pretty sure it was 4 times the price the turbos from ryan.

[Sleepy]

If that VHT holds up I will end up yanking my stuff off this winter and coating it.

By the way, I think my second gear is giving up the ghost.

[BGjohnson]

Big updates, just no time to load the pics.

Got the hotside in. So I test fitted the down pipes, modified them a little and sent them right back out to be ceramic coated. Now I ran into a few issues. The wires I poked through the firewall ( ground, starter lead) were right in the way of the passengers down pipe. So I had to remove them, plug them and relocate my holes to the trans tunnel. Also have to relocate my coil, which will sit right about the drivers side valve cover in front of the cowl. One of my header tubes is also an inch away from all of my brake lines, so I have to figure out something there. Also needed to relocate my speedo cable mounting points to pull it away from the headers. Everything is so damn tight and is going to be scorching hot. Not too thrilled about that. Anyways...

Got the cold side all fabbed up, my TIG guy ( Zachs dad, thanks!) tacked it all together so I could test fit it. Fits like a glove, so I had him weld it all up. Check out this merge, it took me a few hours to trim it all perfect.

Also made my wastegate dump tubes. Now don't poke fun at me... I wanted to recirculate them into the exhaust, the way it's set up is really difficult to do at the moment. So I made myself some mini mufflers!

Got all my stuff to plumb the oil pressure lines for the turbos. Mounted my catch can setup and finally ran the lines to it! The reason I'm excited about that is this. This WHOLE project started off as redoing my catchcan setup and resealing my intake. So thousands of dollars and two turbos later, I redid my catchcan setup, haha.

I also got the car started with open headers, it runs!

There's so many other little things I have done. I've been in the garage at least 3 hours a night since Monday, took off of work Friday, thrashed the whole day, then most of Saturday and today.

So here's some pics of the progress. I'm getting close to hearing turbos spool!

[BGjohnson]

More pics

[Newgen]

Welcome to the world of twin turbo cars :) so many clearance related issues. Looks like your doing a great job though!

[RedRocketZ28]

Looks good man. I need to swing over some night and check it out.

[Sleepy]

Hey it looks awesome Chris. Can't wait to see it when I get back.

[BGjohnson]

Well got the car running. Got a chance to put a very rough tune on it as well. Drove it about 70 miles yesterday in the crazy heat, car saw a max of 218*. Got to do some very minor in boost tuning, only got the wastegates to open once or twice. Then doing a little 4th gear roll on it boost spiked to 16psi which is completely untuned, just went super rich and popped a little. So I think I may have melted through a boost reference line somewhere because it stayed rock steady the other times. I had previously overfilled the coolant reservoir, so it burped out some coolant. I drained it down to where it should be and it never raised after that and actually ran 20* cooler, I think I had a big air bubble in the system and the extra RPM pushed it out. Because I had not hit that high of RPM all day.

Anyways, got back to my house and realized it needed more air flow to the radiator. Cut the bumper a little, cut part of the bumper support. Then moved the bottom of the intercooler forward 2 inches, which allowed the factory air dam to scoop up air between the intercooler and radiator since the intercooler completely blocked it before. Test drove it and it ran at least 20-40* cooler on the highway. Got off the highway and it just kept getting hotter and hotter. Got it home just in time, the fan and controller took a dump on me. But I guess I can't complain too much, 10 year old black magic Flex-a-lite fan served me well.

Due to the massive heat issues in the engine bay, I'm going to try and shoehorn a stock mechanical fan on the car. I don't want to spend $500 for a new Spal fan and controller, and the mechanical fan will push more air then any electric fan I could ever buy.

Here's a few vids. First one is a startup vid with no tune at all, second one is only hitting a few psi 40-70mph roll. The car is going to be an absolute monster when tuned. I have no sway bar now and the batt in the back, the car squatted so hard in 3rd gear my tire rubbed on my fender, and you can stick your fist between my fender and tire when just sitting.

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k65/bgjohnson/th_VID_20130622_140903_843_zps74da9c6c.jpg (http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k65/bgjohnson/VID_20130622_140903_843_zps74da9c6c.mp4)

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k65/bgjohnson/th_VID_20130622_192327_322_zps4a82f432.jpg (http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k65/bgjohnson/VID_20130622_192327_322_zps4a82f432.mp4)

[AutoMods]

nice. can't you get a universal electric fan for like $75 and a controller for another $75? i'm still running meth injection and e85 with no intercooler so its nice not having to worry about radiator cooling issues. We'll see if the meth inj will cool good enough when i raise the boost from 11-12 to 15-16psi

[BGjohnson]

Hmm, looking at the car this morning I found out why it boost spiked. On precisions, there are two boost reference ports I guess for location convenience ? So I forgot to plug the other side of the port. There is also one on the top you are supposed to leave open to the atmosphere.

Also looked at the timing tables and I thought I had set everything at 13* above 100KPA. It was set at 19* above 100Kpa, not terrible but a little high for starting to tune. So lets hope I didn't hurt anything when it boost spiked and popped. If I did, it sure didn't show it the rest of the day. No coolant in the oil, no oil in the coolant. Checked level this morning and it was down a few inches in the radiator and only a few inches left in the overflow. So it's just something we will have to wait and see. I'll check the headstuds and retorque along with the manifold bolts.

[BGjohnson]

I can't just buy a cheapy fan, there's too much heat to get rid of. It has to flow at least 3000CFM.

[Sleepy]

Sooo when should we schedule some dyno time?

[BGjohnson]

After I fix this.

I did end up popping a headgasket. Water in my catchcan was sweet, and when I pulled the valve cover off this is what I found. Goop was also sweet. So that little boost spike pushed coolant, not much, but enough I have to tear back into it. I'm going to bust ass on it. Should have it done by the end of the week if the Fiance doesn't kill me first. Going to put cometics back on it.

[AutoMods]

i have a fan from early 2000's Taurus with the Taurus shroud and it has two speeds and is a beast of an electric fan, about $50 from a junk yard. a lot of ls swap guys run them. the gm pcm controls the on/off trigger at your desired temp. I only run mine on the low speed.

too bad about your head gasket, was that on pump gas?

[sparkles]

i have a fan from early 2000's Taurus with the Taurus shroud and it has two speeds and is a beast of an electric fan
too bad about your head gasket, was that on pump gas?

I can't just buy a cheapy fan, there's too much heat to get rid of. It has to flow at least 3000CFM.


...

[BGjohnson]

They are a bit too thick from what I've read.

Anyways, looks like both headgaskets blew. I would call it a "light blow" because cylinder pressure found it's way out to the coolant passages which then bled into the oil. That's why I didn't find a ton of coolant in it.

[BGjohnson]

pics of the blow

[AutoMods]

nice. can't you get a universal electric fan for like $75 and a controller for another $75?


I can't just buy a cheapy fan, there's too much heat to get rid of. It has to flow at least 3000CFM.


i have a fan from early 2000's Taurus with the Taurus shroud and it has two speeds and is a beast of an electric fan, about $50 from a junk yard. a lot of ls swap guys run them. the gm pcm controls the on/off trigger at your desired temp. I only run mine on the low speed.

too bad about your head gasket, was that on pump gas?


...

never underestimate the power of OEM ford parts

Ford Taurus (1 fan two speed)
Slow speed - 3200 CFM
High speed - 6000 CFM
http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=350404

chris let me know if you want any measurements. the thick fans flow a lot of cfm, otherwise you have to spin the thin ones fast. shrouding is just as important as the fan itself

[snickerlicker]

Ford Contour V6 fans also work just as well as the Taurus ones, but take up less space.

[BGjohnson]

If you guys could give me overall width by height by thickness measurements, I would be very grateful. I can't believe they flow that much air! Probably have megasquirt control the relay, then use a switch for high output.

[snickerlicker]

Contour dimensions;

[AutoMods]

a majority of the fan/shroud area is just over 3.5 inches. near the motor is a bit wider with the motor shaft peaking at 4.6 inches wide. i just google imaged it and i guess its more common then i thought, info and pics are everywhere

snapped a picture of my car for you

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-H2_VXLQ_nJo/UciTtN4qIII/AAAAAAAABV8/k-zK60kK6FQ/w703-h937-no/20130624_134526.jpg


http://forum.ih8mud.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=79090&stc=1&d=1150490982

[snickerlicker]

Most of the supercharged Foxbody's use the Contour fan because it leaves more room for the crank pulley, and also fits the Mustang radiators almost perfectly. Will be putting one on my car someday soon.

[AutoMods]

Most of the supercharged Foxbody's use the Contour fan because it leaves more room for the crank pulley, and also fits the Mustang radiators almost perfectly. Will be putting one on my car someday soon.

contour looks like a nice fan , over an inch thinner . i wouldn't mind running it to open up some space but my fin area is 21" long and the contour 24" is a bit too long for my setup but still a nice option for others.

[sLoWnStEaDy]

I've got a few Taurus fans laying around if someone wants to test fit or get measurements...

[Aircooled]

Dude, I would never get rid of my stock fan, the things are crazy.

[BGjohnson]

Here's the plan for now. I got a mechanical fan with an HD fan clutch. I also adjusted the thermostatic coil spring to kick the fan on earlier. Modified the shroud to fit, painted it and will slap it on tonight. When I get time, I will switch to another fan setup. I'm just about burnt out on the car, so I have to keep it simple.

[Sleepy]

k.i.s.s.

Don't get burnt out on it man. You are quite close to getting done, remember its suppose to be fun. :burnout:

[Drifte]

Some people with high engine bay temps add some washers to shim the back of the hood and it really helps force some heat out creating that gap. IDK if this is an option for you, but every little bit can help. Two 12" spal fans with a shroud would work...if you have the alternator to support it. Im told they draw a lot of power, and once installed rarely will they need to kick into high.

[Sleepy]

Chris has a decent sized cowl hood so spacers really wouldnt help. I bet its a combo of an intercooler blocking all your radiator opening and two mini ovens sitting under the hood now.
Oh and its also been the hottest its been yet this summer.

I bet the mechanical fan/shroud and moving the intercooler further foward will fix any issues.

[Drifte]

Buy some sheets of polycarbonate to send the air where you want. I plan to do that under my bumper. Improve rad airflow and aerodynamics. Something like this:
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_8MPCKJQzPA8/RxemrlLRaNI/AAAAAAAAEmY/18zq_Ox51PA/08.nissan.skyline.gtr.tech.underbody.3.500.jpg

Another cooling aid that really only helps while moving.

[derek072887]

Buy some sheets of polycarbonate to send the air where you want. I plan to do that under my bumper. Improve rad airflow and aerodynamics. Something like this:
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_8MPCKJQzPA8/RxemrlLRaNI/AAAAAAAAEmY/18zq_Ox51PA/08.nissan.skyline.gtr.tech.underbody.3.500.jpg

Another cooling aid that really only helps while moving.

Seems like a lot of work for a mountaineer? ;)

[BGjohnson]

k.i.s.s.

Don't get burnt out on it man. You are quite close to getting done, remember its suppose to be fun. :burnout:

I Know man, I'm so close (again) that's what keeps me going.

My body is busted from wrenching for 10 days straight, my wallets about empty, and it's stressing me and my Fiancée. If I have another big issue, I'm done for the year.

Also, to make things safer, I'm swapping out my 10.5psi WG springs for 6psi springs.

[Newgen]

I Know man, I'm so close (again) that's what keeps me going.

My body is busted from wrenching for 10 days straight, my wallets about empty, and it's stressing me and my Fiancée. If I have another big issue, I'm done for the year.

Also, to make things safer, I'm swapping out my 10.5psi WG springs for 6psi springs.

You sound just like me Chris. I hope everything works out this time!

[BGjohnson]

Those of you that didn't know. Got the car up and going today. Last night I just kept having setbacks, this morning I had setbacks. But GODDAMNIT I got the fucker running and driving. Changed the oil once more for saftey sake and it was clear as a bell.

Also, this mechanical fan was one of the best things I've done. The damn car runs so damn cool, I have an hour of datalogs and it never got over 187* no matter what. Compared to the 220* it was hitting before.

[BGjohnson]

pics

[sparkles]

Take it easy on those oil feed lines from now on. Looking good man. Get us some video, or better yet, stop by here and I'll shoot some.

[BGjohnson]

Once I get the exhaust and valve cover taken care of, I will.

Got the new exhaust tacked up, started the car up with it on. Super quiet, even though the mufflers are straight through. Oh well, it will be nice to cruise like that.

Got some clackin from rockers, since I can hear them now. So I'm going to pop the other one off and readjust them.

[Sleepy]

Love the sump, looks sweet.
Quiet exhaust is not a bad thing, but it did sound bitchin before.

[Newgen]

Congrats man i'm so jelly :)

[93stang5oh]

Good deal Chris!

[BGjohnson]

Small update time. I have been battling some massive heat soak issues. After 30 minutes of driving the car would start detonating like crazy above 95 KPA. IAT was still in stock location, so in town the computer was seeing 175+ inlet temps, in reality it was nowhere near that. Once I got on the gas, it would drop 40+ degrees within the first second. So the MS was adding a shit ton of fuel, causing EGTs to skyrocket, causing inlet temps to get even hotter, vicious cycle. So I built a heat shield for the charge piping, relocated the IAT sensor aaaand switched to E-85. My pump and injectors should still be able to support 700RWHP, and I don't have to make the car drink the shit "91" octane we have. Gas mileage is going to suck hard dog balls, but at least when I put my foot down, I know it's not going to have any issues. I haven't even started to the on the corn juice yet, but I'll let you guys know how it goes.

[AutoMods]

your going to like the e85. too many benefits not to on a boosted car. perhaps the timing was retarding with your high iat's also . i know timing will effect egt's a lot also. do you actually have an egt gauge? i remember back when egt's were used before widebands were common/affordable. i had an egt gauge in my talon back in 2001ish . i kinda want to get an egt gauge again just out of curiosity. and a back pressure gauge.

I assume your MAP is setup to read 100kpa at atmospheric. how much boost do you plan to run?

[snickerlicker]

What is your IAT sensor showing for temps now that you relocated it? I know in the stock location they get heat soaked like crazy like you showed. Closer to ambient now while cruising?

[BGjohnson]

I'm going to start it and do some tuning now. Let you know.

[Sleepy]

It's in a good location now. Mine is about a foot away from the throttle body in charge piping also. When cruising I'm at a bit over ambient.

[BGjohnson]

update. Drove the car about 30 miles on E-85, got a really good tune sorted out. Car is a monster. E-85 and IAT relocate is hands down the best thing I've done for this car. Inlet temps hovered around 90* on an 88* day, even under boost. So the IAT relocate was a success, no knocking or pinging! Underhood temps seem a bunch lower, I have no actual data for this, but it heat doesn't blast you in the face opening the hood as much. Got the overboost protection on, AFR protection on. Car drives like a kitten with the smaller cam until you hit the GO pedal. I'll get some vid tomorrow for you guys.

[BGjohnson]

What is your IAT sensor showing for temps now that you relocated it? I know in the stock location they get heat soaked like crazy like you showed. Closer to ambient now while cruising?

It's within 5-10* of ambient, even under boost. If I ever get another 5.0, I'm relocating it no matter what. Even if it's stock.

[snickerlicker]

It's within 5-10* of ambient, even under boost. If I ever get another 5.0, I'm relocating it no matter what. Even if it's stock.

Good to hear!

[BGjohnson]

Here's a vid. Enjoy!

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k65/bgjohnson/th_BoostMoose_zpsea4be5a2.jpg (http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k65/bgjohnson/BoostMoose_zpsea4be5a2.mp4)

[BGjohnson]

Here it is on youtube as well

http://youtu.be/--RMrpgUhss

[AutoMods]

nice. looks to have more low end torque then my car. unless you have shitty tires on there

[JustaGT]

Congrats on getting it finished up, looks like it will be a blast!

[BGjohnson]

6.7 liters usually yields some healthy low end torque.

[Phish]

Its always about size to you isnt it...

[BGjohnson]

Not saying mine is bigger, but it is... ;)

[AutoMods]

6.7 liters usually yields some healthy low end torque.

yea... just imagine the power if it was 6.7 liters of LS greatness :eek2:

[snickerlicker]

yea... just imagine the power if it was 6.7 liters of LS greatness :eek2:

There is no such thing..

[BGjohnson]

It may not be gods engine, but I'd bet he would rock it.

[AutoMods]

There is no such thing..

all of these are combinations of ls greatness

3.779" bore combinations

3.268" stroke: 293.2ci or 4.8L (Stock 4.8L combo)
3.622" stroke: 325.0ci or 5.3L (Stock 5.3L combo)
3.819" stroke: 342.7ci or 5.6L
4.000" stroke: 358.9ci or 5.9L
4.125" stroke: 370.1ci or 6.1L

3.898" bore combinations

3.268" stroke: 312.0ci or 5.1L
3.622" stroke: 345.8ci or 5.7L (Stock 5.7L combo)
3.819" stroke: 364.8ci or 6.0L
4.000" stroke: 381.9ci or 6.3L
4.125" stroke: 393.8ci or 6.4L

4.000" bore combinations

3.268" stroke: 328.5ci or 5.4L
3.622" stroke: 364.1ci or 6.0L (Stock 6.0L combo)
3.819" stroke: 383.9ci or 6.3L
4.000" stroke: 402.1ci or 6.6L
4.125" stroke: 414.7ci or 6.8L

4.065" bore combinations

3.268" stroke: 339.3ci or 5.6L
3.622" stroke: 376.1ci or 6.2L (Stock 6.2L combo)
3.819" stroke: 396.5ci or 6.5L
4.000" stroke: 415.3ci or 6.8L
4.125" stroke: 428.3ci or 7.0L

4.125" bore combinations

3.268" stroke: 349.4ci or 5.7L
3.622" stroke: 387.2ci or 6.3L
3.819" stroke: 408.3ci or 6.7L
4.000" stroke: 427.6ci or 7.0L (Stock 7.0L combo)
4.125" stroke: 441.1ci or 7.2L

[snickerlicker]

^ like I said, no such thing...keep dreaming.

[RedRocketZ28]

^ like I said, no such thing...keep dreaming.

Really? You like to start a lot of shit don't you? Or do you really have no clue what you're talking about?

Nice to see the car running well Chris.

[snickerlicker]

Really? You like to start a lot of shit don't you? Or do you really have no clue what you're talking about?

Nice to see the car running well Chris.

lol
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m309/10sec5oh/4db53a50.jpg

[RedRocketZ28]

Lulz, lol, lmfao, rofl...you got me with the meme. Never seen one of those before! Very ingenious!

[snickerlicker]

Lulz, lol, lmfao, rofl...you got me with the meme. Never seen one of those before! Very ingenious!

Ryan and all the other LS lovers on this site know I'm mostly just stirring shit up. If you had half a brain you would too. Obviously you don't...

[RedRocketZ28]

Ohhhh...insulting someone over the internet. I am sure you can find a meme for that one ;).

It was ALMOST funny the first time you said, "there is no such thing..." I guess I don't get your sense of humor...or lack thereof.


Sorry, Chris.

[snickerlicker]

^ Anger management issues?

[RedRocketZ28]

Yes, because my posts just scream, "I am angry!!!"

You are definitely on point this morning.

[BGjohnson]

Hey! Keep this shit out of my build thread! >: 0

I do like ls engines though.

[allgo]

Really? You like to start a lot of shit don't you? Or do you really have no clue what you're talking about?

Nice to see the car running well Chris.

Snickerlicker and Slowride are 2 people on here that trust me know what they are talking about...get some thicker skin its just the internet...lol

[AutoMods]

its all good, i pretty much threw snickerlicker the LS bait and he always bites.

[snickerlicker]

its all good, i pretty much threw snickerlicker the LS bait and he always bites.

The stink bait gets me every time. :)

[BGjohnson]

Got the car scheduled to be up on the dyno Saturday morning at Karls. We will see what she does!

[Larsons Fox]

Well alright! Car sounds good in vid Chris.

[JustaGT]

Got the car scheduled to be up on the dyno Saturday morning at Karls. We will see what she does!

You getting on during the cars and coffee event?

[BGjohnson]

yep,10am

[BGjohnson]

Got the car on the rollers, it put down 613 rwhp and 650tq without touching anything at 6psi.

Increased timing and got 640 hp and 705 tq. Increased boost to 10psi, increased timing 3/4 of a degree and thumped out 721rwhp and 763rwtq.

Here's the last dyno vid and a blast from 2nd through 4th gear.

http://youtu.be/PD_rGMah4ls

Car did great on the dyno, injector were only at 81% and fuel pump was keeping up. It has so much more in it, but the block is at it's limit.

Later in the day the coolant level increased and there was air in the system, combustion started to push past the combustion ring on the headgaskets. So I have backed boost down to 6psi and took a little timing out. Still probably making 630hp, but it hasn't pushed any more air into the cooling system the whole day. I believe the deck is flexing and pushing a little past the MLS gaskets.

[AutoMods]

thats awesome especially for 10psi, looks like some great low end torque. I have a dyno sheet here on my desk with another 408 ls motor 90mm turbo 16psi and 750whp and yours has a good amount more low end torque.

post up the sheet. sucks to hear about the coolant issue though. is that a sbf motor ?

[Aircooled]

http://www.dartheads.com/products/small-block-ford-billet-blocks.html

[BGjohnson]

Well I tested for combustion gases in the coolant, didn't find any. Cap was really gummed up from left over copper spray. Replaced that, haven't had a problem since.

[Aircooled]

Sounds like my wife! Hahahaha heh heh hmmmmm

hmm


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQgaCVT9Bw8

[BGjohnson]

You know what we hit trolls with?

BAN STICKS!

[93stang5oh]

Nice numbers Chris! Would have loved to have seen that thing at Joliet this last weekend.

[Doug1969]

how about i just buy your engine and call it good , lol wow very nice !!! heck all i want to do is run in the high 11s with a 1993 fox body style lol. just need to pick the right engine lol.

[AutoMods]

any updates on your car chris?

[BGjohnson]

For the guys not on facebook, I'll update here.

During the summer is was running pretty good, just burning a quart of oil every 200 miles. Figured it was the valve seals.

Started working out the bugs, figured out MS3 even more and got it running better than ever. Had a small issue with a cracked header from the wastegate being so heavy, braced it and welded it up.

Planned on tearing it down for the winter to check fuel filters, get injectors cleaned and flowed, check deck surface, get hotside recoated.

Yanked the intake off and found some tears on the intake gaskets, thought, " yay, problem solved". Pulled the heads and found my pistons were toasted. Tore it all down, found everything was in pretty good shape. Measure ring gap, it was .020 top .024 bottom. Saw faint shiny spots on the ring gap ends. Machine shop gapped them too small and boned my engine.

So, plan is to sell the shortblock off and gather money to come up with something else. I'm staying pretty tight lipped about my future plans. I see how other guys are raked over the coals and talked about behind their backs about decisions they make. So it's not a super secret street racer thing, I honestly just don't want to hear/deal with all the BS.

Here's pics.

[BGjohnson]

Forgot to mention. All the parts of the pistons blew out of the wastegates, got crazy lucky and none of it went through the turbos. Score?

[slow ride]

That was pretty damn tight. What bore is that on again? Good luck with it all.

[BGjohnson]

4.030