Karl Performance Dyno Visit!

[c_mart_28]

First off, let me start by saying, and re-stating how impressive the entire facility is at Karl Performance. I almost felt like I should have taken my shoes off walking through the place.

Anyways, most all of you know of my issues at CFR. Thought it was something major, turned out to be just that stupid bypass valve, again. Took the valve covers off, did a compression test, a leakdown test, everything under there looked brand new. That much was a relief.

Decided today give it a thorough test and make a couple pulls on the dyno. Long story short, car pulled clean all the way to redline, zero issues only to check the data log to see that it is only making 21-22#'s of boost by redline. I'm currently pullied to make 26ish psi so something is up. Probably that bypass valve again. This time around, I'm going to do something different with it rather than just try to fix it. I'm going to call Vortech tomorrow.

Anyways, the car ended up making 681.3/644.8. On only 22 psi, knowing that I have another ~4 psi to get factored in, I am super happy. That blower is just starting to wake up at this point. I wouldn't be surprised if I saw 15-20 rwhp per additional hp. This car will make 750 rwhp on that dyno eventually. I'm certain of it.

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb90/c_mart_28/th_2012-11-12_16-45-02_624.jpg (http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb90/c_mart_28/2012-11-12_16-45-02_624.mp4)

Thanks go to Ryan at Karl Performance, it was such an awesome experience. Everything went so smooth you can tell that making horsepower at that place is just part of a day's work!

Not dialed in just yet, but, soon enough, we'll be making some power!

[CROWN]

Glad we could be of a assistance

[Phish]

Lol... SO much for putting the street tires on it and driving it home today. However, this looks like a lot more fun then just putting it back in the garage

[c_mart_28]

Glad we could be of a assistance

Clint, my bad for not mentioning you, the flipping dyno operator! Great job working through my lack of an e-brake. You're one of the reasons our visit was such a good one. Thanks again!

[derek072887]

sound in the video off for everyone or just me?

glad you got it figured out, sure sounded like something really bad at the track haha

[Xboosted23X]

Looks nice. Are the rollers on full time? I might throw my car on in the spring to see if I can make some more power.

[JacobS]

your cars not a street car without an ebrake!

sounds good casey, keep up the good work.

[stangvortech]

Sweet!!!

[CROWN]

Looks nice. Are the rollers on full time? I might throw my car on in the spring to see if I can make some more power.

yea they're linked together with a driveshaft

[Vitoman]

Thanks Casey! All the guys around the shop were loving it! Appreciate the visit and cant wait for the next dyno day.

[Newgen]

Congrats Casey!

[AutoMods]

nice, good to hear your getting it figured out

[K-ville]

your cars not a street car without an ebrake!

sounds good casey, keep up the good work.

Yeah thats not safe on the street so that means its not a streetcar anymore. Welcome to the racecar club!

[Phish]

Child seat in the back negates not having an ebrake - rule # 34 of being a streetcar.

[K-ville]

Wsh i couod make rules as i go.

[c_mart_28]

Actually, e brake cable is In the trunk. Therefore, no Racecar. :)

[K-ville]

Why is it there is always some way to make a not streetcar rule okay for some guys then when its another guy it automatically makes it a racecar and there is no reversal?... So confused

[derek072887]

Why is it there is always some way to make a not streetcar rule okay for some guys then when its another guy it automatically makes it a racecar and there is no reversal?... So confused
your car doesn't even run why do you care?

[K-ville]

your car doesn't even run why do you care?

You sure about that?

[derek072887]

if it does you must not drive it on the STREET because i havn't heard of anyone seeing it.... if its running and its a street car you should probably drive it on the street or something....

[K-ville]

I could can and will.

[derek072887]

until then shhhhhh

[sharpie]

Id say the late night boosh lite wrenching was successful!

[K-ville]

My car is in a town with less people than the factory i work in. You dont know anyone who knows my car... Not to mention regardless of what ive done with my car anyone can wonder the questions i ask... Do you think people build cars to play with without checking rules of what they might want to do?.. so no shhh anytime soon

[K-ville]

Id say the late night boosh lite wrenching was successful!

Haha shhhhh my car doesnt even have a motor in it!

[FiFdYnUtZ]

Derek knows erryone man, dontcha know?

[K-ville]

Haha yeah ive been gone too long i guess i forgot

[AutoMods]

picture taken Oct 18th, 2 days before the car shocked the world and set history winning the 2012 iowa street car shootout, manual class.

a true street car at its finest, in the rain. /end of street car discussion

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[slow ride]

It can't be a street car since I don't fit in it. New rule I just made up. Seriously though you are pushing your luck without power steering :P

[c_mart_28]

picture taken Oct 18th, 2 days before the car shocked the world and set history winning the 2012 iowa street car shootout, manual class.

a true street car at its finest, in the rain. /end of street car discussion

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/c0.0.403.403/p403x403/149644_10151120806357947_272326653_n.jpg

Photoshop.

[derek072887]

Photoshop.

you know its real, you saw the Jimmy John's video

[K-ville]

Im not claiming other cars not streetcars really im more just calling bullshit on people calling cars like mine racecars only.

[Xboosted23X]

Your car is a racecar. Its got more bars than a kids jungle gym.

[K-ville]

Your car is a racecar. Its got more bars than a kids jungle gym.

Every protour car in the us has a cage! And every prostreet so are they not streetcars?

[AutoMods]

anyone that has a wii knows prostreet cars are definitely street cars

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[AutoMods]

http://www.streetcarsupernationals.com/images/2011PSchampJose.jpg

[K-ville]

Im talkin poser mullet prostreet.. and if he can street drive that gto whats to say its not?

[c_mart_28]

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb90/c_mart_28/terrible.jpg

Recent family trip to the rockies.

[AutoMods]

^ rofl ....post of the year right there cmart

[derek072887]

Im talkin poser mullet prostreet.. and if he can street drive that gto whats to say its not?

some of us don't classify a car as a street car just cause it moves on the street.... its a street legal car not a street car

[derek072887]

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb90/c_mart_28/terrible.jpg

5 min photoshop?

[SledgeWS6]

some of us don't classify a car as a street car just cause it moves on the street.... its a street legal car not a street car

So are we talking full DOT inspection here or what? Because if you're not running cats, which I'm sure most of us aren't on our newer vehicles, you're not street legal either.

[Sleepy]

This has been beaten to death.

Everyone has their own opinion on a street car. At the end of the day its what would be practical and legal to drive on the street.

[derek072887]

So are we talking full DOT inspection here or what? Because if you're not running cats, which I'm sure most of us aren't on our newer vehicles, you're not street legal either.

no what im saying is just cause the car moves on the the street doesn't mean its a street car.... that car would probably over heat at the first stop light it came to

[K-ville]

some of us with slower cars who still want to win don't classify a car as a street car just cause it moves on the street.... its a street legal car not a street car

okay so just and idea but if the said cage issue were eliminated as in i cut the cage out of my car would it then be a treetcar? Or reversed if imports rx7 had a full cage would it not longer be a streetcar?
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I know of a car that is a full tube car with 33s on it and a tbi305 thats daily driven.. not saying i understand why but it exists so is that a streetcar?

[K-ville]

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb90/c_mart_28/terrible.jpg

Recent family trip to the rockies.

This is awsome.

[K-ville]

If your reffering to my car on the overheating your wrong.

[derek072887]

okay so just and idea but if the said cage issue were eliminated as in i cut the cage out of my car would it then be a treetcar? Or reversed if imports rx7 had a full cage would it not longer be a streetcar?
..
I know of a car that is a full tube car with 33s on it and a tbi305 thats daily driven.. not saying i understand why but it exists so is that a streetcar?

thanks for butchering my original post i kinda like it LOL

the question is, would you WANT to drive a car on the street with a full cage and no hp or a car with decent hp and no/ very little cage
you seem to be focusing just on the cage aspect of things... and since you are i know that Ryan (importevolution) would not drive his car half as much as he does if he had anymore of a cage in it... shit he was complaining about the swing out door bar on the way home from the shootout just cause he had to get out of the car to get taco's

[K-ville]

This has been beaten to death.

Everyone has their own opinion on a street car. At the end of the day its what would be practical and legal to drive on the street.

I agree to this. But its hard to decide whats practical... But in my case my cars legal and i can drive it daily and no issues so to me its a streetcar... Trying to get a reason why its not other than its fast and has a cage.

[derek072887]

If your reffering to my car on the overheating your wrong.

i was talking about the prostreet car we have been discussing

[derek072887]

I agree to this. But its hard to decide whats practical... But in my case my cars legal and i can drive it daily and no issues so to me its a streetcar... Trying to get a reason why its not other than its fast and has a cage.

id call that a streetABLE car not a street car, street cars should see actual street time more than from your garage to your trailer to get it to the track

[K-ville]

thanks for butchering my original post i kinda like it LOL

the question is, would you WANT to drive a car on the street with a full cage and no hp or a car with decent hp and no/ very little cage
you seem to be focusing just on the cage aspect of things... and since you are i know that Ryan (importevolution) would not drive his car half as much as he does if he had anymore of a cage in it... shit he was complaining about the swing out door bar on the way home from the shootout just cause he had to get out of the car to get taco's

Your welcome. And i focus on the cage because its the only excuse ive ever gotten.

[K-ville]

id call that a streetABLE car not a street car, street cars should see actual street time more than from your garage to your trailer to get it to the track

Mine will without doubt see more street miles than at a track. It has a pumpgas tune for a reason. It hasnt done crap yet because its not all finished still needs a dyno visit to get ckeaned up and i have no interior.

[derek072887]

here's another angle for you then when you get to the point that your car is making enough power that you are no longer running pump gas i think you step out of the street car "class"...... IN MY OPINION you should be able to turn a key, start your car drive it to the grocery store, pick up some stuff, and stop on the way home to get gas.... all with out having to drain your tank and pull out the laptop and switch your tune

[K-ville]

here's another angle for you then when you get to the point that your car is making enough power that you are no longer running pump gas i think you step out of the street car "class"...... IN MY OPINION you should be able
to turn a key, start your car drive it to the grocery store, pick up some stuff, and stop on the way home to get gas.... all with out having to drain your tank and pull out the laptop and switch your tune

i can obe fuel only. I dont have a racegas tune at all.

[derek072887]

i can obe fuel only. I dont have a racegas tune at all just yet..

fixed it for ya

[K-ville]

fixed it for ya

Dont have a racegas tune and im not getting one! I dont need it and to expensive.

[c_mart_28]

5 min photoshop?

3 minute :)

[JacobS]

id call that a streetABLE car not a street car, street cars should see actual street time more than from your garage to your trailer to get it to the track

damn...the hondas not a street car then...back to the drawing boards i guess

[derek072887]

damn...the hondas not a street car then...back to the drawing boards i guess

thats just cause you're too lazy to get your honda running right to be able to drive it on the street

[JacobS]

yea....so?

[derek072887]

yea....so?

so you have neither racekar or street car...... you have garage car/dyno princess

[K-ville]

this just in... after looking through the rules it turns out avoiding facts that a car is indeed a streetcar is a automatic bypass through any further excuses! so im in the streetcar club!

[derek072887]

this just in... after looking through the rules it turns out avoiding facts that a car is indeed a streetcar is a automatic bypass through any further excuses! so im in the streetcar club!

haha, ignored for stupidity but here is your response...... you have built a car around the 10.5 rules and regs... but you won't be running on race gas so there is most likely no way you will be competitive in 10.5.... so instead of building an awesome race car and calling it that and using it for that you have prolly ran out of money and are trying to now justify putting a little pump gas motor in a purpose built race car by getting everyone on here to agree with you that it is a street car.... If it will shut you up i will call your car a street car from now on when i talk about it.... happy medium?

[K-ville]

haha, ignored for stupidity but here is your response...... you have built a car around the 10.5 rules and regs... but you won't be running on race gas so there is most likely no way you will be competitive in 10.5.... so instead of building an awesome race car and calling it that and using it for that you have prolly ran out of money and are trying to now justify putting a little pump gas motor in a purpose built race car by getting everyone on here to agree with you that it is a street car.... If it will shut you up i will call your car a street car from now on when i talk about it.... happy medium?

hahahahahaha you do know all dont you! ever think about the fact that nelson builds 1400hp pump gas small blocks? or the fact that maybe the reason my car has taken 4 years to build is because its not your average "little pump gas motor" and that it will run 10.5 then leave the track and drive home?... your barking without having a clue about my as you said STREETCAR

[derek072887]

hahahahahaha you do know all dont you! ever think about the fact that nelson builds 1400hp pump gas small blocks? or the fact that maybe the reason my car has taken 4 years to build is because its not your average "little pump gas motor" and that it will run 10.5 then leave the track and drive home?... your barking without having a clue about my as you said STREETCAR

shit i was just assuming since no one knows anything and it has taken 5 years.....

[K-ville]

shit i was just assuming since no one knows anything and it has taken 5 years.....

why would i build something so long to be a 11 sec car?...

[derek072887]

why would i build something so long to be a 11 sec car?...
maybe your a budget minded guy who decided he didn't wanna spend much rapidly? LOL ;)

[K-ville]

nope..

[derek072887]

i guess i just have it all wrong.... but you will show us all one day that you can drive on the streets just like the rest of us.... then you will be satisfied and not have to come worry about what people think of your car

[K-ville]

i guess i just have it all wrong.... but you will show us all one day that you can drive on the streets just like the rest of us.... then you will be satisfied and not have to come worry about what people think of your car

you are wrong. i will show the people i like. and i dont give two shits about what you think haha i just like ruffling feathers and raining on the fixed win streetraces.

[derek072887]

you are wrong. i will show the people i like. and i dont give two shits about what you think haha i just like ruffling feathers and raining on the fixed win streetraces.

damn it i just can't get anything right tonight....

[K-ville]

damn it i just can't get anything right tonight....

ever actually

[FiFdYnUtZ]

Rest of "us"? What do you drive again Derek?

[K-ville]

Rest of "us"? What do you drive again Derek?

obviously a streetcar that my junk small motor car cant handle!

[derek072887]

obviously a streetcar that my junk small motor car cant handle!

whoa whoa whoa i havn't claimed to have a fast car in over a year now..... i just drive a little bmw, nothing special at all

[K-ville]

oh I was just assuming since your so involved in the car scene and all

[FiFdYnUtZ]

whoa whoa whoa i havn't owned a fast car ever..... i just drive a little bmw, nothing special at all

True dat

[AutoMods]

you have an awesome car k-ville, end of story . you do what you got to do to make it reach your goals, doesn't matter if it take 3+ years in my opinion as long as it gets done. i prefer taking baby steps and keeping the car drivable for at least some each year even if that means having to go back in later and fix/change/do it right later. but it takes an enormous amount of time and money and research to make a car like that and most people don't understand until they do it themselves. it'll still be faster than what most people on here will ever build in a lifetime, including myself. i'd rather deal with any cage on an 8-9-10 second car and go through the hassle of the harness and no air/ps/ power / spool, loud gutted etc etc whatever you need to do to hit your goals. still better than to drive just another average car running 13,14,15's .

not to say you can't have a blast with a 13 second car on an autocross track/corners etc. but for me, a street car i can't see myself building anything in the future that at least doesn't have the potential to run 10's. my wife subaru legacy gt 2.5 turbo supposedly can run low 14's stock but i haven't modded it because it just doesn't interest me because i know how tough it would be (money, time, comfort sacrifices) to make it reliably put down 600+whp.

as for the IAF Auto class street car rules, that class is designed to fill in where the 10.5 class leaves off. so there is a lot of stupid rules to try to achieve that. it was purposely designed to try to attract 10,11,12 second cars. maybe next year we may try changing the rules to bring in 9 second caliber cars...who knows. but there are many 10.5 races that are great for 7-8 second cars so i don't feel the need to have another one

[AutoMods]

here is k-ville's build thread, impressive build http://iowaautoforums.com/showthread.php?11242-since-Mike-posted-his-I-thought-id-post-my-325-radial-hatch

[K-ville]

Totally understandable! And in all reality im as easy to get along with as anyone on here i just like messin with people sometimes! But heres how I see it. If you want a 10 11 12 sec car class run an index class... Dont try and have a heads up streetcar class then eliminate cars that are fully street worthy just because they are fast. You can try and take the streetcar badge away from my car to keep me out all you want but at the end of the day my car still has every option it came from the factor with minus heat and powersteering. It will have full insterior once i can get tye money saved to have someone do it around all the cage. And ill drive it from knoxville to cf filling at gas stations... Streetcar? In my book i dont see why not.