wtb: 5.0 cam/heads

[Domestic Disturbance]

Looking for a cam that doesn't require tuning for a5.0. Preferably something likean e or f 303.

Also looking for gt40p heads or similar. Just seeing if anyone has anything nearby.

[86svo9L]

If I remember K's acres used to have a 5. explorer out there. I had an 96 explorer engine with regular GT40 heads shipped to my door for $500 fully dressed. Unless you are running boost an F 303 is not something you will want to run. Maybe a Trickflow Stage 1 or a comp cams. Wish I had some parts for you, I pretty much sold off all of my 5.0 stuff.

[85XR7Project]

Exploder heads would need new valve springs for sure but that would be the best bang for the buck. The intake would also be a vast improvement. I'm not sure that your 86 has valve reliefs though. Isn't the 86 an E6 headed 5.0?

[86svo9L]

It is. So pv clearance could be an issue down the road.

I picked up a trickflow valve spring kit for I think around $125.

[85XR7Project]

Could just swap in an Exploder engine and you'd have all the shit you'd need minus cam and valve springs. No pv issues then.

[Domestic Disturbance]

I have an 89 engine I am doing this too. Also came with an 89 computer, maf, and wiring on the engine. Not sure what else is needed to change over to the newer style setup though. I already have a cobra intake manifold too. I'd really like to get close to 10:1 CR but again not sure how well that will work on a factory tune, and if it can be done with milling the heads and running one of these cams.

[86svo9L]

The 89 ECM should be good if its an A9L. Any reason why 10:1? Most guys just run boost or go with better heads since the factories and even the GT40's are hard to break 300 N/A.

You can pick up a Moates Quarterhorse for $225. It plugs into the ECM and you can tune it with a laptop. I used Tuner Pro R/T for tuning and it was fairly easy to use. Real time tuning and datalogging.

[AutoMods]

I have an 89 engine I am doing this too. Also came with an 89 computer, maf, and wiring on the engine. Not sure what else is needed to change over to the newer style setup though. I already have a cobra intake manifold too. I'd really like to get close to 10:1 CR but again not sure how well that will work on a factory tune, and if it can be done with milling the heads and running one of these cams.

Your making me uneasy with all these ford engine parts your messing with.

[snickerlicker]

Trick Flow Stage 1 would work good, how much you wanting to spend on heads?

[Domestic Disturbance]

Less than $400. Its not worth it to put any more into the heads IMO right now. I don't even know if I'm keeping the car, just tinkering and enjoying it for now. I'd like the higher compression for throttle response and to squeeze some extra hp from stock parts. The car is meant for curves so I think that the higher CR would be worth while. Trying to keep this budget. I'll post more info on the build soon. The input is appreciated though guys, haven't had much research time the last few days.

[85XR7Project]

Your making me uneasy with all these ford engine parts your messing with.

He's just started learning right.


Trick Flow Stage 1 would work good, how much you wanting to spend on heads?

Always liked that cam. Cheaper than the Ford Racing cams and sounded better, better performance IMO.

[snickerlicker]

Less than $400. Its not worth it to put any more into the heads IMO right now. I don't even know if I'm keeping the car, just tinkering and enjoying it for now. I'd like the higher compression for throttle response and to squeeze some extra hp from stock parts. The car is meant for curves so I think that the higher CR would be worth while. Trying to keep this budget. I'll post more info on the build soon. The input is appreciated though guys, haven't had much research time the last few days.

I'd keep the stock 89 cam, put 1.7 rockers on it, and the money you save from not buying a cam put towards your budget for heads. That is where the power is at, in the heads. BTW I've built more then a few cars still using the stock cam that made over 500rwhp, one went 9.90's in the 1/4. Stock driveability, easy to tune, ect...search chi-town racing, always good deals on heads, ect...on there.

[Domestic Disturbance]

I have to do a cam just to get that lumpy idle at least.

500rwhp on motor?

[snickerlicker]

I have to do a cam just to get that lumpy idle at least.

500rwhp on motor?

Ummm, no... I hear you on the lumpy idle.

[Domestic Disturbance]

I was going to say what kind of build are you talking about here haha.

[Drifte]

Just read a build on Hotrod magazine online of a stock block 5.0. Good read, supercharger made huge gains and can be found in kits for around $1,200! Another guy takes the Termi supercharger and sells it in a bolt on kit for the 5.0, its $1,500.

I have to go back to what was K's acres and take the hitch off that explorer they have. If its a v8 I'll let you know.

[snickerlicker]

I was going to say what kind of build are you talking about here haha.

Heads, Intake, Vortech S-Trim, stock cam.

[LT1Dan]

Heads, Intake, Vortech S-Trim, stock cam.

Do this


Another guy takes the Termi supercharger and sells it in a bolt on kit for the 5.0, its $1,500.

Or this.

Only choke artists own N/A Mustangs. Winners go boosted.

[Drifte]

For example:

Edelbrock heads (good, idk): http://www.summitracing.com/parts/EDL-60379/

[Domestic Disturbance]

Thats 609 a head. I'm just trying to keep this budget but make it more fun than a stock motor. Not really interested in dumping a ton of money into this car. Its not going to break any records or anything. I need to stress 'budget build'. Supercharger kit would be sweet and the prices are awesome on them, but if I really wanted to dump money into this car you bet it'd be a lsx/t56.

Don't get me wrong, I still want to do this right. Its getting new bearings, rings, crank polished, water pump, oil pump, timing chain, and anything else along the way. I did find some gt40p heads that are cleaned, valve job, new seals, all that jazz for around 340ish? Maybe even with springs installed. May probably go that direction, otherwise I'd just want to replace that stuff on a set of used ones I pick up.

[85XR7Project]

Exploder heads, Trickflow stage 1, Exploder intake, valvesprings, A9L ECU should net 300 hp at least. add decent exhaust and a good CAI and youre golden. $300 max id bet.

[snickerlicker]

Thats 609 a head. I'm just trying to keep this budget but make it more fun than a stock motor. Not really interested in dumping a ton of money into this car. Its not going to break any records or anything. I need to stress 'budget build'. Supercharger kit would be sweet and the prices are awesome on them, but if I really wanted to dump money into this car you bet it'd be a 2011-2013 5.0/T56.

Don't get me wrong, I still want to do this right. Its getting new bearings, rings, crank polished, water pump, oil pump, timing chain, and anything else along the way. I did find some gt40p heads that are cleaned, valve job, new seals, all that jazz for around 340ish? Maybe even with springs installed. May probably go that direction, otherwise I'd just want to replace that stuff on a set of used ones I pick up.

Fixed.

[85XR7Project]

Lol you mean 5.8SC Mod motor/T56 AKA God's engine, right?

[snickerlicker]

Lol you mean 5.8SC Mod motor/T56 AKA God's engine, right?

That would work too..

[snickerlicker]

Meant to be;
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m309/10sec5oh/c4b6d920e2bc930d77aa904b08184a6c.jpg

[85XR7Project]

Roadrunner 5.0 V8 FTW!

[Domestic Disturbance]

Haha you guys know the pros and cons to those options. I would imagine thatd be a pretty nose heavy pig.

[85XR7Project]

Only if you plan on swapping in a BBF otherwise the weight stays the same.

[Domestic Disturbance]

So I'm thinking Trickflow Stage 1 and gt40ps will be the way to go. Haven't been able to find much on the PTV clearance as far as milling the heads to bring up compression. Looks like gt40ps are a 58cc which should put the engine at around 9.3:1 cr? I really can't find any congruent facts from one site to the next, just people arguing.

With that setup would I need to step up to 24lb injectors too or is that still in the range of the stockers?

[85XR7Project]

I would definitely step up to 24lb's the stock 19lb's are pretty stretched out as is.

[snickerlicker]

So I'm thinking Trickflow Stage 1 and gt40ps will be the way to go. Haven't been able to find much on the PTV clearance as far as milling the heads to bring up compression. Looks like gt40ps are a 58cc which should put the engine at around 9.3:1 cr? I really can't find any congruent facts from one site to the next, just people arguing.

With that setup would I need to step up to 24lb injectors too or is that still in the range of the stockers?

Not a big fan of GT40P's, between header fitment, shitty springs, and burning plug wires there are better options.... Like regular GT40's, etc..P/V will be fine with the 89 Shortblock you are using. I would use the 24lb injectors, with at least a 73mm mass air.

[snickerlicker]

BTW how many miles on the 89 Shortblock?

[Scott]

If you are going to run the wider bolt pattern headers then possibly look into some 351N heads, they are overlooked usually. alot of circle track run them so you can get them fairly cheap, same with the pistons. Those can make some good power NA

[snickerlicker]

If you are going to run the wider bolt pattern headers then possibly look into some 351N heads, they are overlooked usually. alot of circle track run them so you can get them fairly cheap, same with the pistons. Those can make some good power NA

X2!

[AutoMods]

I have some stock ls1 2002 injectors 28.8 pounds, $35. should be direct fit for the fox body. how are you going to tune/compensate for larger injectors on that car ?

[snickerlicker]

I have some stock ls1 2002 injectors 28.8 pounds, $35. should be direct fit for the fox body. how are you going to tune/compensate for larger injectors on that car ?

You just buy a MAF that is calibrated to the size injectors you are using. Simple, works fine, especially with a mild combo like he is building.

[85XR7Project]

300ish hp on a Fox makes a pretty fun car. my first build was a 79 hatch with a warmed up 351w and it was a blast.

[AutoMods]

You just buy a MAF that is calibrated to the size injectors you are using. Simple, works fine, especially with a mild combo like he is building.

ic, what do they charge for re-calibrated maf's. so it sounds like its kind of like having an apexi safc or maf translater in that it tricks the airflow signal. one side effect, at least on some cars, is that your timing curve will be more aggressive because the pcm is seeing less airflow.

I dont seem to hear about the re-calibrated maf's options with ls motors??

http://www.3si.org/forum/attachments/f103/84375d1298686965-data-logging-safc-tuning-apexi_afc.jpg

[85XR7Project]

In some cases you can use MAFs out of other Ford vehicles and seriously cut your cost on that.

[snickerlicker]

ic, what do they charge for re-calibrated maf's. so it sounds like its kind of like having an apexi safc or maf translater in that it tricks the airflow signal. one side effect, at least on some cars, is that your timing curve will be more aggressive because the pcm is seeing less airflow.

I dont seem to hear about the re-calibrated maf's options with ls motors??

http://www.3si.org/forum/attachments/f103/84375d1298686965-data-logging-safc-tuning-apexi_afc.jpg

Doesn't change the timing curve at all. Depending on what ECM you have the computer advances timing 14-16 degrees on top of your base timing. IAT's will retard timing but only when it gets REALLY hot.

[slow ride]

Ryan, any of the aftermarket MAF's for ls1 are calibrated different than stock. There are different cal tables for the factory MAF's also even if they are the same size (like 85mm truck vs. 85mm vette). It's just a lot easier to mess with the newer computers than what they are dealing with.

[86svo9L]

To answer your question though, yes. The MAF's that are for different sized injectors just fool the ecm. Ford sets the injector size in the ECM and not the MAF. Generally it is accepted that it is better to get a tuner and change injector size vs. a MAF that will fool it. Quarterhorse runs $225 and is worth every penny. Real time tuning, datalogging, etc. You can find a SN95 Maf which is 70mm for fairly cheap.

[snickerlicker]

To answer your question though, yes. The MAF's that are for different sized injectors just fool the ecm. Ford sets the injector size in the ECM and not the MAF. Generally it is accepted that it is better to get a tuner and change injector size vs. a MAF that will fool it. Quarterhorse runs $225 and is worth every penny. Real time tuning, datalogging, etc. You can find a SN95 Maf which is 70mm for fairly cheap.

Yes and no, on a mild build like he's doing, that would be a waste IMO. Hell we've gone 8.7@156 on a stock computer and a 80mm MAF calibrated for 72lb injectors, works fine. More then one way to skin a cat I guess...

[Domestic Disturbance]

The engine has 6xxxx miles on it. Also came with a mag he said was bigger?

I was reading bout the headset fitment issues and actually may be a problem with the equal lemma that came withthe engine, but if so I'll just get longtubes. thought about getting gt40s (non p's) but haven't looked around enough to know if that's what I'm interested in.

Wouldn't the 351 heads require a different lower?

Also might be using stock lt1 injectors, otherwise I'll consider those ls1's.

[86svo9L]

the 351 and 302 share the same head. The 351 has a bigger 1/2 stud though. The need for a different intake is due to the 351's taller deck height and will not effect anything for you. There are inserts you can get to make reduce the hole size on the 351 heads.

[snickerlicker]

The engine has 6xxxx miles on it. Also came with a mag he said was bigger?

I was reading bout the headset fitment issues and actually may be a problem with the equal lemma that came withthe engine, but if so I'll just get longtubes. thought about getting gt40s (non p's) but haven't looked around enough to know if that's what I'm interested in.

Wouldn't the 351 heads require a different lower?

Also might be using stock lt1 injectors, otherwise I'll consider those ls1's.

If it only has 60k on it I wouldnt even bother rebuilding it, it's barely broken in, honestly. Save the $$.

[86svo9L]

If it only has 60k on it I wouldnt even bother rebuilding it, it's barely broken in, honestly. Save the $$.

True story. The 5.0 is well known to be beaten every day of its life well past 200k. 60k is nothing.

[85XR7Project]

True story. The 5.0 is well known to be beaten every day of its life well past 200k. 60k is nothing.

Word

[Domestic Disturbance]

The one in my car now would say otherwise. 3 quarts of oil in 2300 miles at 138k. We just pulled the pan to inspect the bearings and the rear main is showing some slight wear so figured might as well. Rings I don't really think need touched but its down to a shortblock now so why not?

[85XR7Project]

E6SE engines suck ass anyway. Go with the 89 engine and throw something together. If you want dirt ass cheap, the JY parts I suggested is not a bad route. If you want to spend some money you won't be hurting either. Any way you go it will become a better car.

[snickerlicker]

^ agreed, no comparison between an 86 and an 89 5.0.

[85XR7Project]

It's like comparing 4.6 non-PI engines to 4.6 PI engines. Pretty big difference with how easy it is to make power.

[sparkles]

It's like comparing 4.6 non-PI engines to 4.6 PI engines. Pretty big difference with how easy it is to make power.
Gay and gayer?

[85XR7Project]

Gay and gayer?

No that's when you compare Tuneport Inj and LT1's. Glad you could stop by.

[snickerlicker]

No that's when you compare Tuneport Inj and LT1's. Glad you could stop by.

LOL! Don't stir the GM boys up...

[AutoMods]

to help you out with all your 5.0 parts, ... i'll throw in the funds to buy this shirt for you

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[Domestic Disturbance]

these are what I was thinking, although I'd still need springs.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/REBUILT-302-SMALL-BLOCK-FORD-CYLINDER-HEADS-GT40P-4-BAR-/350554793257?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item519eb1a529&vxp=mtr

hahaha nice shirt

[85XR7Project]

Perfect!

[snickerlicker]

to help you out with all your 5.0 parts, ... i'll throw in the funds to buy this shirt for you

http://rlv.zcache.com/nickel_and_dimed_to_death_shopping_slogan_tshirt-p235092527956589744en7p1_210.jpg

Don't forget this for the diehard GM fanboys;
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And a bumper sticker for your car;
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[86svo9L]

If you plan on going for 24lb injectors. I have a 90mm Maf with the filter adapter that is cal'd for 24lb's that you can buy for cheap. I may have some more stuff floating around just need to do some searching. I also have an Explorer upper and an Explorer 65mm throttlebody if your interested.

[snickerlicker]

^ those would work great.

[snickerlicker]

Everything you ever wanted to know about gt40p's;

http://forums.corral.net/forums/5-0-5-8-engine-tech/1014187-anything-everything-gt40p.html

I like this one, stock cam too;

http://forums.corral.net/forums/drag-racing/1036355-i-did-11-99-a.html

[Drifte]

True story. The 5.0 is well known to be beaten every day of its life well past 200k. 60k is nothing.

No lie, as evidenced by my mountainater (rolled over 204 to 205k at redline pulling a truck out of mud). Mountainater dont give a fuck.

[snickerlicker]

^ true dat

[slow ride]

twitter dat shit

[snickerlicker]

twitter dat shit

lol!

[Drifte]

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Pics are always fun.

[Scott]

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/304760_976283733129_489140397_n.jpg

Pics are always fun.

Chicks should be required to get filthy muddy if they go 4-wheelin wearing a white tank top.. just sayin

Man if you went Carburated you could really open up the realm of cheap stock ford parts you can run, 351C stuff is amazing.. Just not real cheap to get EFI manifolds for them I believe. If you want bang for the buck with what you have now its about impossible to beat a used S-trim or something like that, or dare I mention nitrous? Hard to argue with 3-500 bucks and 150 HP

[86svo9L]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Procharger-p600b-supercharger-87-93-mustang-gt-cobra-lx-vortech-kenne-bell-/160866734940?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item257467935c&vxp=mtr#ht_480wt_1418

[Domestic Disturbance]

Haha I have that exact page tabbed on my computer at home.

Supercharger would be sweet but kind of odd for a "corner Carver".

I am interested in that maf, pm me price. What is stock tb size? already have a cobra intake I'm good there

[snickerlicker]

Haha I have that exact page tabbed on my computer at home.

Supercharger would be sweet but kind of odd for a "corner Carver".

I am interested in that maf, pm me price. What is stock tb size? already have a cobra intake I'm good there

Don't tell that to the ZR1 or Ford GT guys..

[Domestic Disturbance]

Those cars are worlds away from this. Not saying its not possible but just not doing that route.

Picked up the maf and tb, thanks 86svo9l

[Scott]

you should buy a used nascar engine

[85XR7Project]

you should buy a used nascar engine

That would be badass. I bet they are stupid expensive though.