2011 Mustang 5.0L vs 2010 Camaro SS Dyno Results

[AutoMods]

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=97504

ls3 vs 2011 mustang

equal horsepower but whose torque curve would you rather have. coyote motor is red

http://www.lgmotorsports.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/2011%20mustang%20vs%202010%20camaro.jpg

ls3 ftw, coyote ftl

http://i.pbase.com/u45/crocodile/large/33798014.coyote.jpg

[sparkles]

OHHHHHH SNAAAAP!!!!!

[slow ride]

Shit you gone and done it. Mustang is still the better package as a car though. You can really see the cam timing adjustments going on in the mustangs torque line.

[sparkles]

Que Pork comments by Rob.

[Drifte]

Que Coyote road kill pic...

[sparkles]

http://www.outdoorlife.com/files/photo/6/coyote_roadkill_0.jpg

[LT1Dan]

Que pasa?

[AutoMods]

rob and snickerlicker must be out to dinner. maybe they are gathing ammo, they will be here soon guns a blazing

[Jappbox]

Robs posting in the domestic section. LOL

[snickerlicker]

rob and snickerlicker must be out to dinner. maybe they are gathing ammo, they will be here soon guns a blazing

Sorry I've been busy racing dyno's...I'm wondering if that extra torque is from the extra cubic inches of the LS3?? If so where's the extra HP????? LOL.. I expected better from you!! BTW what is gathing ammo?

[AutoMods]

i will admit the ls3 doesn't make the same power per liter. its about cost and simplicity. as rob would put it, it is dinosaur technology.

single $400 cam can fix the ls3 top end. speaking of cams how much does it cost to upgrade cams on the coyote motor?

[snickerlicker]

That's just it, the Coyote cams don't need upgraded like your LS engine does...They are good to begin with. A software change is easier then changing out a LS cam anyways, and cheaper too. No tear down needed, no mess. More later, I gotta go race another dyno..

[AutoMods]

a very large cam upgrade on the ls3 along with exhaust supporting mods will get you around close to 500whp.

Can the coyote with stock cam and vtec tuning do that?

[slow ride]

I think ford hit a home run with these engines, but thinking they will dominate the competition is a little bit of a stretch. Nothing can really touch the ls engine for cost, cubes, and NA power out of the current new generation powerplants from the big 3. I don't doubt you could make good NA power in the new 5.0, but at what rpm? You need cubes to take power to the next level and keep rpm sane. They are long stroke small bore motors which can't really be stretched any further. Small bore = valve shrouding and limitations. One good thing about dohc engines is that the valvetrain will work to a higher rpm with less money invested over stock and the heads are so thick and bores small they are easier to keep a headgasket in.

Hell my friends 99 vette made more power than both these with a cam and bolt ons.

[Domestic Disturbance]

LIKE

[snickerlicker]

a very large cam upgrade on the ls3 along with exhaust supporting mods will get you around close to 500whp.

Can the coyote with stock cam and vtec tuning do that?

ok, it was a long night of dyno racing, not much gained. Couldn't find a suitable location to put 2 dyno's side by side and get anything out of it. Decided it would be better to get the cars to the track, and forget about what the dyno numbers were. Results to come, but I bet the Mustang comes out on top, even if the dyno #'s are lower than the Camaro's LS3. See I just don't get all worked up over dyno #'s, Supra's taught me that. 800-1000 whp and 12 second 1/4 miles just isn't impressive...

[Scott]

Those dyno numbers are very close, who really believes all these dyno numbers you read on the internet anyway? You really think they were done with all things equal? Same IAT, same humidity, same rotating weight, same friction losses in the drivetrain?

IMO, to guys like us dynos are only good for measuring changes, tuning, and internet bragging. Not a good comparison in vehicle performance

[sLoWnStEaDy]

See I just don't get all worked up over dyno #'s, Supra's taught me that. 800-1000 whp and 12 second 1/4 miles just isn't impressive...

:WORSHIP:

Who cares what a Dyno says? I'd much rather have the faster car at the track than the "better" car on the dyno. Especially if the "better" car on the dyno is NOT the faster car on the track. How many times have we seen a "1000WHP" Poopra get it's ass handed to it by a 600WHP mustang or F-body or whatever else you want to insert there.

I am going to have to go with SnickerLicker on this one, when people start drag racing on dynos, it will matter. Call Rich, maybe he'll start up a "Pinks All Out DYNO EDITION"...

[69gt4speed]

rob and snickerlicker must be out to dinner. maybe they are gathing ammo, they will be here soon guns a blazing

Well I do work 2nds and no matter what or whose kind of machines they are, they do break... Lock and load be the term...

Wow Ryan that is really old post and btw that gt was run on 87 oct and the wrong gear, 4th to be exact. All I ask is any of you line me up some new camaros w similar mods and we will go head to head. Track, dig, roll I don't care and post results here. I would though suggest maybe you drive my 2011 before you put any $ down. And I mean driive it, the overall power, comfort, etc. you will not buy a camaro I bet. I still want to hit a very low 12 w what I have now, we will see. A mid 12 isn't bad though.

Of course c.i. is c.i. and cams in a coyote who knows, comp has some coming out we will see what gains they get. This is a brand new engine design of sorts the lsx been around a while now.

[slow ride]

I would say the dragstrip is not the end all be all that cars should be measured by, but the mustang would probably put a beat down on the camaro on the road course also so.... The weight is the killer for the camaro and the irs is not a solid foundation to build up a 1/4 mile car anyway. I like the mustang better, but even better with a ls3 :rolleyes:

[69gt4speed]

^ I would beg to differ I would like to see a stroked 400 c.i. 6.2 sohc ford engine tried out. I saw Don Bowles 777 at chicago and it ran plenty good n/a. In the mid 9's, I kinda forget though, first yr of nmra vs nmca it was. Here is a pic of one on a hoist in a 05+.
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff85/czaker/utf-8BSU1HMDAxOTYtMjAxMDA2MTAtMDA1OS5qcGc.jpg?t=129288 5308

http://image.musclemustangfastfords.com/f/9170742/mmfp_0711_15_z+ford_mustang_roush_stage_3_experime ntal_ford_engine+engine_bay.jpg

Or if you want they just released this update for the coyote...... 351 c.i.... Awe crap there goes the neighborhood. Sleeper. I just got a 5.0l w a tune and some bolt on's in my 2011 gt. click the link to see...
http://www.stangtv.com/features/pri-cov ... ort-block/ (http://www.stangtv.com/features/pri-coverage/pri-2010-wiseco-performance-products-pistons-and-short-block/)

[69gt4speed]

Btw sparkles I actually did drag a dog w my 69 stang w the boss spoiler on it at 35 mph. Some kids dog I went to school with, he was mighty unhappy and I felt real bad, let him drive the stang around a while w me in it. Guess I still feel bad about it. I love my dogs I have now.

[69gt4speed]

Oh yea btw not that I really care, but since motor trend got a hold of a new camaro s/s convertible stick vs a 2011 5.0 convertible stick on a unprepped bs track. Vid... Like I said I don't care just find me some camaro's. We will see for our selves..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fny6_GRhOf4

[69gt4speed]

You chevy dodge guys know livernois... Well they also have some new stuff for the 6.2l and for a stang swap I'd do away w bottom plug.
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[sparkles]

Btw sparkles I actually did drag a dog w my 69 stang w the boss spoiler on it at 35 mph. Some kids dog I went to school with, he was mighty unhappy and I felt real bad, let him drive the stang around a while w me in it. Guess I still feel bad about it. I love my dogs I have now.

I hit a dog or a coyote or something that looked similar quite a few years back on an old highway at about 2am. I changed the radio station and had just enough time to see his ass when I looked back up. Barely caught his rear end. I stopped and got out and looked around, but I couldn't find him and didn't hear anything. Don't know if it killed it or not, but my GF was super pissed. Cost her a fender and front bumper on her Sunfire. Oh well, she was a bitch anyway, lol.

[Jappbox]

a very large cam upgrade on the ls3 along with exhaust supporting mods will get you around close to 500whp.

Can the coyote with stock cam and vtec tuning do that?

ok, it was a long night of dyno racing, not much gained. Couldn't find a suitable location to put 2 dyno's side by side and get anything out of it. Decided it would be better to get the cars to the track, and forget about what the dyno numbers were. Results to come, but I bet the Mustang comes out on top, even if the dyno #'s are lower than the Camaro's LS3. See I just don't get all worked up over dyno #'s, Supra's taught me that. 800-1000 whp and 12 second 1/4 miles just isn't impressive...


hey dont be hating on the supras, do i need to post the 1000whp supra that cuts 1.3's and SHIFTS to a 8 second pass?? i think i will Key word: SHIFT's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lsa_Jhr ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lsa_Jhrhj0&feature=related)

[DustinsDuster]

hey dont be hating on the supras, do i need to post the 1000whp supra that cuts 1.3's and SHIFTS to a 8 second pass?? i think i will Key word: SHIFT's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lsa_Jhr ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lsa_Jhrhj0&feature=related)

the car doesn't shift, the driver does. if i don't like a car, a badass driver isn't going to make me like it.

[Jappbox]

I was just geting back at him poking fun, hell it dont look to hard to drive, just dump it and go. I guess its only far if I poke fun at some fords....

[AutoMods]

all i really care about is the ls3 motor not necessarily the new camaro. If anything I'd probably have to buy the ls3 pontiac g8 for the family now.

Im bias because I could swap one in my car with little effort since my car is setup for the ls. Its also interesting to follow because as with other ls motors you will eventually see it swapped into the older muscle cars, camaro's, vettes, rx7's, 240sx, miata, 350z, datsun, soltice, older mustangs etc

i really do like the new mustang and the coyote motor but i like to stir the pot

[sLoWnStEaDy]

all i really care about is the ls3 motor not necessarily the new camaro. If anything I'd probably have to buy the ls3 pontiac g8 for the family now.



Drove an '09 G8 GXP the other day... Loved it. Not sure if that has the newer LS3 you are talking about but. I'd have a hard time choosing between that and a CTS-V I have been wanting for a couple years now.

[slow ride]

Gen 1 CTSv's have a glass rear, just a heads up. Newer versions of the diff have been improved, but not a drag type upgrade :) All gxp's would be a ls3 I believe at least the manual ones. I'll wait till they are giving the gxp's away before getting one to replace my s4. That or a gen 2 ctsv which would be the shit. I'd love a big american v8 powered awd sedan, but nobody will make one. Bolt ons on a ls3 would be low/mid 400 whp and a mild daily driver cam mid/high 400's

[Domestic Disturbance]

I think snicker, slowsteady, and scott kind of missed the point. Engine vs Engine on the same dyno, how the old school LS3 stands against the new techno wonder 5.0L we read a new post about every day. We've all read 100x how porky the new camaro is. I like that ford finally has a good standard engine. Wish I could afford an ls3 in my car though.

[69gt4speed]

a very large cam upgrade on the ls3 along with exhaust supporting mods will get you around close to 500whp.

Can the coyote with stock cam and vtec tuning do that?

ok, it was a long night of dyno racing, not much gained. Couldn't find a suitable location to put 2 dyno's side by side and get anything out of it. Decided it would be better to get the cars to the track, and forget about what the dyno numbers were. Results to come, but I bet the Mustang comes out on top, even if the dyno #'s are lower than the Camaro's LS3. See I just don't get all worked up over dyno #'s, Supra's taught me that. 800-1000 whp and 12 second 1/4 miles just isn't impressive...


hey dont be hating on the supras, do i need to post the 1000whp supra that cuts 1.3's and SHIFTS to a 8 second pass?? i think i will Key word: SHIFT's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lsa_Jhr ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lsa_Jhrhj0&feature=related)

But Jesse this car here is a true street car. And I never get bored watching it. And it's not a ford. You could do this w some work. Just run it on e85.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IOpuGVoyCk

[69gt4speed]

I think snicker, slowsteady, and scott kind of missed the point. Engine vs Engine on the same dyno, how the old school LS3 stands against the new techno wonder 5.0L we read a new post about every day. We've all read 100x how porky the new camaro is. I like that ford finally has a good standard engine. Wish I could afford an ls3 in my car though.

Like I said brand new engine run on 87 oct and wrong gear 4th. I'd say wait till engine has like 5k on it w 93oct in 5th gear. Who knows the outcome I would guess coyote more hp lil less tq. geezus let's stack a 5.3 lsx vs a new 5.0 be no contest. Or even a 348 lsx. You can't tell me a bored stroked new 5.0 out to 351 c.i. all stock otherwise would not crush a 6.0 or 6.2 whp wise. The boss 302 already is gonna. And the real beauty of new 5.0 is it hardly weighs anymore than a alum block lsx. Not a block of lead like my 03 engine. Big difference on street traction. And now more or less the f150 will be offered w a 10.5/1 comp 5.0 so plenty of engines. And lsx yea it's a marriage of a ford fe and sbf w upgrades imo.

[slow ride]

GM never put much work into the heads of the smaller displacment ls engines and they have tiny little daily driver/truck cams. The stock ls6 (5.7L in the z06, ctsv) was rated at 405 hp and made 360 to the ground back in 01'-02' I'm not saying it would be easy for a 5.0L ls1(if you could make one) to make what the new ford 5.0 makes and still meet factory type emissions, etc. I don't think the new 5.0 has much room if any to be bored out or stroked very much though. I agree it's a badass motor and they need to just inlarge it and make it up to 7.0+

I know you can build a 441 off a stock ls7 (c6 z) block and with ported stock ls7 heads (flow in the 415 cfm range) will make over 700 hp on 91 octane and under 7000rpm. You can build a 500+ ci engine out of a stock block if it's ERL superdecked. Takes big money to get heads to flow enough for these and none of the factory car intakes will work on it. Best standard deck height stock block you can do is a sleeved aluminum block and that would be 454-460 ci range.

[Jappbox]

a very large cam upgrade on the ls3 along with exhaust supporting mods will get you around close to 500whp.

Can the coyote with stock cam and vtec tuning do that?

ok, it was a long night of dyno racing, not much gained. Couldn't find a suitable location to put 2 dyno's side by side and get anything out of it. Decided it would be better to get the cars to the track, and forget about what the dyno numbers were. Results to come, but I bet the Mustang comes out on top, even if the dyno #'s are lower than the Camaro's LS3. See I just don't get all worked up over dyno #'s, Supra's taught me that. 800-1000 whp and 12 second 1/4 miles just isn't impressive...


hey dont be hating on the supras, do i need to post the 1000whp supra that cuts 1.3's and SHIFTS to a 8 second pass?? i think i will Key word: SHIFT's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lsa_Jhr ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lsa_Jhrhj0&feature=related)

But Jesse this car here is a true street car. And I never get bored watching it. And it's not a ford. You could do this w some work. Just run it on e85.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IOpuGVoyCk

Yea the car will get to that point hopfully, everything is built for it just not the motor ill need some stonger internals to up the boost and pull off some mid 8's

[sLoWnStEaDy]

let's not forget the LS3 has like what... 75~ c.i. more than the 5.0? Put an "old school" 454 chevy up against a "techno" 4 cylinder and I am sure the BBC would win. the ford has better hp/ci ratio, so, going by that, if it was the same size as the LS3, it would still win.

[slow ride]

Well a honda s2000 engine will destroy all domestic engines if we look at it that way :) HONDA POWA FTW !!!!

[Drifte]

Yea honda owns the HP per liter, for production n/a cars in america.

[sparkles]

Like I said brand new engine run on 87 oct and wrong gear 4th.

I'd like to see the proof


geezus let's stack a 5.3 lsx vs a new 5.0 be no contest. Or even a 348 lsx. You can't tell me a bored stroked new 5.0 out to 351 c.i. all stock otherwise would not crush a 6.0 or 6.2 whp wise.

Apples to Oranges. OHV to OHC. I would sure hope it does. It's got like 13 more years of technology. I also don't remember there being a stock 351 ci mod motor. You're talking about boring and stroking a stock motor and that's it, stock to stock? Who in their right mind would do nothing else than just put in a bigger bottom end? Nobody. They're gonna upgrade everything else, heads, cam, intake, tuning, exhaust, power adder, blah blah blah. Get's real hard to compare after that don't you think? I'd rather work on that dinosaur LSX based technology any day over that enormous complicated coyote. That think is huge cover to cover. At least the LSX can fit into something else other than a truck! And with more cubes! I don't see too many people shoving mod motors into Fieros, 240s, Supras, El Caminos, station wagons, etc, etc. Can't say the same for the LSX. Hmmm...maybe there's a reason for that?

[Drifte]

Like I said brand new engine run on 87 oct and wrong gear 4th.

I'd like to see the proof


geezus let's stack a 5.3 lsx vs a new 5.0 be no contest. Or even a 348 lsx. You can't tell me a bored stroked new 5.0 out to 351 c.i. all stock otherwise would not crush a 6.0 or 6.2 whp wise.

Apples to Oranges. OHV to OHC. I would sure hope it does. It's got like 13 more years of technology. I also don't remember there being a stock 351 ci mod motor. You're talking about boring and stroking a stock motor and that's it, stock to stock? Who in their right mind would do nothing else than just put in a bigger bottom end? Nobody. They're gonna upgrade everything else, heads, cam, intake, tuning, exhaust, power adder, blah blah blah. Get's real hard to compare after that don't you think? I'd rather work on that dinosaur LSX based technology any day over that enormous complicated coyote. That think is huge cover to cover. At least the LSX can fit into something else other than a truck! And with more cubes! I don't see too many people shoving mod motors into Fieros, 240s, Supras, El Caminos, station wagons, etc, etc. Can't say the same for the LSX. Hmmm...maybe there's a reason for that?
yea but that stuffs played out, coyote powered fiero will happen lol. someone buy my subie so i can ls swap a 350z.

[AutoMods]

who would dyno a car with 87 octane? that would be stupid. unless your a chevy shop trying to sway the numbers :)

[Domestic Disturbance]

And lsx yea it's a marriage of a ford fe and sbf w upgrades imo.

Then why didn't they make it? Yes the port alignment is very similar, but the port design and shape itself is entirely its own. The cathedral port has a very different port design that increases velocity for small runners. The exhaust side also flows way more than any stock ford did. All of that mated with the at the time unique intake manifold, there's a lot more going on there than copy cat. If you really want to point fingers, how much did the sbf take from the sbc? :bigthumb:

In the first year the LSx platform was allowed in the Engine Masters Challenge, one placed 2nd. The ford fe finished first, as it has for many years, and many years of practice makes perfect. I'm keeping my eye out for this years challenge.

[Domestic Disturbance]

let's not forget the LS3 has like what... 75~ c.i. more than the 5.0? Put an "old school" 454 chevy up against a "techno" 4 cylinder and I am sure the BBC would win. the ford has better hp/ci ratio, so, going by that, if it was the same size as the LS3, it would still win.

It depends on what measuring stick you're using. Want to use price/hp? The amount of material in the 5.0 easily exceeds the ls from the obvious extra size and necessary parts. The cubic inch vs cubic inch battle is silly. Especially when one is not capable of having an equal amount of cubic inches. If they were both the same cubic inches, then of course it'd be dohc for the win. Thats the benefit of the LSx platform though, is that it can get more cubic inches out of a smaller package.

[69gt4speed]

Ok Ok I'm done, like I always say each their own, I respect that. Now please quit talking and find me some new camaros already. I'm sure wiesco will have a built n/a 351 soon enough based on new 5.0. Dynoed and etc. Same w the boss and all those parts put on a reg 5.0. So far all ford has done is tick me off w useless runs through the gears on a dyno w the boss 302.

[FiFdYnUtZ]

one word....fanboy.

[sparkles]

one word....fanboy.
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[Scott]

I think snicker, slowsteady, and scott kind of missed the point. Engine vs Engine on the same dyno, how the old school LS3 stands against the new techno wonder 5.0L we read a new post about every day. We've all read 100x how porky the new camaro is. I like that ford finally has a good standard engine. Wish I could afford an ls3 in my car though.

No I understand the point your trying to get across, I just dont think dyno's can measure enough characteristics of the engine to be able to say engine A is better than engine B in this paticular example. For example things like rotating weight, shift recovery, throttle response which all may go unoticed but play a role in performance when actually racing a car. I mean when your talking 10-20 ftlbs at that low of a RPM the mustang might be faster with less torque.

[slow ride]

No the mustang IS faster in my eyes. Ford did it right and kept the weight down, solid rear for the drag guys and with all of that it handles very very well. I'd buy one down the road. I just like the simplicity and interchangability of the ls stuff. Add in the low cost for some crazy combos of junkyard parts and the possibilities seem endless. Now the huge power ls stuff will take big bucks like any engine, but there is no reason everyone isn't rocking a 400+ NA ls engine. So just saying I like the engine more than the car itself as far as the camaro goes. Now where is that beating a dead horse smilie damit :)

[allgo]

BRING IT TO THE STREETS!!!!

[69gt4speed]

Tyler and you others drive my damn thing write your own review. I would post other cars, but right now these seem to have the shops attention. The market is new you know.

I will run any new camaro, dig, roll, track. I have not hidden anything I have done to it or what it has run so far. So use your resources and find some. I only know of one that is it.

I have no damn problem with chevies, in fact any engine if it performs well. Right now we in c.r. area have a guy w the quickest 03 cobra in the usa if not the world. I like that idea. And a bunch of quick cars, chevies, fords, some dodges. And I know a pontiac or 2 in the bracket class. I would have a zr1 if I had the coin. And a boss 302. And the new 392 challenger. What is wrong w that? Done.

I wish I could, then be the end of fanboy bs. So my stepdad ruined me, bfd teaching me about fords. Way it is I guess.

[Scott]

Tyler and you others drive my damn thing write your own review. I would post other cars, but right now these seem to have the shops attention. The market is new you know.

I will run any new camaro, dig, roll, track. I have not hidden anything I have done to it or what it has run so far. So use your resources and find some. I only know of one that is it.

I have no damn problem with chevies, in fact any engine if it performs well. Right now we in c.r. area have a guy w the quickest 03 cobra in the usa if not the world. I like that idea. And a bunch of quick cars, chevies, fords, some dodges. And I know a pontiac or 2 in the bracket class. I would have a zr1 if I had the coin. And a boss 302. And the new 392 challenger. What is wrong w that? Done.

I wish I could, then be the end of fanboy bs. So my stepdad ruined me, bfd teaching me about fords. Way it is I guess.

No offense Rob or Allgo but theres alot faster 03 cobras out there, not sure what "qualifications" your talking about though

[allgo]

Tyler and you others drive my damn thing write your own review. I would post other cars, but right now these seem to have the shops attention. The market is new you know.

I will run any new camaro, dig, roll, track. I have not hidden anything I have done to it or what it has run so far. So use your resources and find some. I only know of one that is it.

I have no damn problem with chevies, in fact any engine if it performs well. Right now we in c.r. area have a guy w the quickest 03 cobra in the usa if not the world. I like that idea. And a bunch of quick cars, chevies, fords, some dodges. And I know a pontiac or 2 in the bracket class. I would have a zr1 if I had the coin. And a boss 302. And the new 392 challenger. What is wrong w that? Done.

I wish I could, then be the end of fanboy bs. So my stepdad ruined me, bfd teaching me about fords. Way it is I guess.

No offense Rob or Allgo but theres alot faster 03 cobras out there, not sure what "qualifications" your talking about though
None taken but my car is the fastest 03 04 plated cobra in the world acording to the cobra sites..

[sparkles]

I'm ignorant. Plated?

[slow ride]

Like drive it on the street.

[Domestic Disturbance]

I think most people here would know to take the new mustang over the new camaro if they were trying to go the quickest. We all know the Camaro is handicapped by its own chassis. Mod for mod they start out close, and the 5.0 steady widens the gaps in 1/4m times. I like all brands too, thats why I was excited to see that new mustang when you got it.

[stangvortech]

mustang is better. thats all.

[LT1Dan]

I'm ignorant. Plated?

It has license plates and is legal to drive on the streets. At least thats what I understand it to mean.

[LT1Dan]

mustang is better. thats all.

Stop spreading misinformation, Johnny. Everyone knows you secretly want a SRT-4. :neener:

[snickerlicker]

^ what you talkin about, he is gonna put an LT1 in his Stang!!!

[slow ride]

What you don't say??? Optispark FTMFW

[AutoMods]

ha ha. whenever i hear the word lt1, optispark is the first term that pops into my head

[LT1Dan]

^ what you talkin about, he is gonna put an LT1 in his Stang!!!

Whoa whoa whoa. Let's not get ahead of ourselves. All the torque from the LT1 would twist his Stang in two!!


What you don't say??? Optispark FTMFW


ha ha. whenever i hear the word lt1, optispark is the first term that pops into my head

Hahaha I guess I've been lucky as far as opti's go. Had the same one in there since I bought it. Goin on 6 years now. A lot better than some of the nightmares I've heard/read about with them. We'll see if she's still any good this spring after not running for a year.

And yeah, I know how sad it sounds to brag about my ignition system working for 6 years. But if it was easy to own an LT1 I'd be just like all you other Mod motor/LS1 fanbois. :butthead:

[sparkles]

Hey, you should try being a TPI fanboy...especially beings how you like torque so much.

[LT1Dan]

^I'm not THAT dedicated. Thats just crazy. haha

[69gt4speed]

No offense Rob or Allgo but theres alot faster 03 cobras out there, not sure what "qualifications" your talking about though...

Yes I meant plated 03/04 like it or not way it is. His vette could be quickest also w some $ and a formula like bart and kurgan.

[Scott]

Yeah I was gonna say theres plenty of F-150 lightnings out there that are faster than that!! I would have no idea about all those records some internet people keep track of.