6.2 l ford engine

[69gt4speed]

Here's some pics of new 6.2l 2 valve mtr. Semi hemi like sorta the old boss 429. Looks pretty sturdy on valve train. Don bowles ran a 427 proto version.
http://i438.photobucket.com/albums/qq10 ... 62mod1.jpg (http://i438.photobucket.com/albums/qq103/Shangstasvt/62mod1.jpg)
http://i438.photobucket.com/albums/qq10 ... 62mod3.jpg (http://i438.photobucket.com/albums/qq103/Shangstasvt/62mod3.jpg)
http://i438.photobucket.com/albums/qq10 ... 62mod4.jpg (http://i438.photobucket.com/albums/qq103/Shangstasvt/62mod4.jpg)
http://www.modularfords.com/forums/atta ... 1253936894 (http://www.modularfords.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=64424&stc=1&d=1253936894)
http://www.modularfords.com/forums/atta ... 1253936894 (http://www.modularfords.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=64421&stc=1&d=1253936894)
http://www.modularfords.com/forums/atta ... 1253936894 (http://www.modularfords.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=64423&stc=1&d=1253936894)

[69gt4speed]

A overall pic..
http://www.modularfords.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=64424&stc=1&d=1253936894

[85XR7Project]

Its about time we get pics of the thing, I do believe Ford is really getting their game together since Alan Mullaly stepped into Bill Ford's old spot. Bill Ford was ruining Ford but the airplane man seems to be letting the Engineers make some pretty cool shit. I'd like to see how potent the Mustang will be when this bad boy gets dropped into it because you know that will happen.

[Domestic Disturbance]

I had to do a google search to double take that to the 4.6 2v. I thought those rocker arms looked odd. Looks like it brings that valve angle out pretty far. Any idea how big the runners are? I'd love to see a back to back comparison of those of a flow bench against previous heads. Look nice :biggrin:

[sparkles]

What made them start to up the displacement? I figured they were doing just fine with their lower displacement engines, especially with the 5.0 coming back. What's it going in?

[Domestic Disturbance]

New truck engine I believe. Supposed to come in raptors I know next year.

[69gt4speed]

Well Don bowles w the 777 project mtr in a new stang ran low 9's n/a. Other words a 427 version. 7l 700hp @ 7k rpms n/a. Latest word is going to be in harleys and raptors, also in bigger trucks as v10 will go. Truck hp is 400. Rumors are also hd f 150's as a option then of course later in a stang. Who knows but one was shown in a harley already. Reminds me almost of a old boss 429 head layout but w ohc like a old cammer.

[69gt4speed]

What made them start to up the displacement? I figured they were doing just fine with their lower displacement engines, especially with the 5.0 coming back. What's it going in?

The 5.0 will be coming soon I heard this spring and the 6.2 in trucks, then the 6.7 scorpion truck diesel engine and gt500 w alum 5.4 block. I am sure most the goal is to improve mpg standards. Epa raised it a lot. Later the 6.2l is rumored to go 4v. It's already ohc so no big deal but head design. I'm sure the 6.2 was in response to toyota's engine and gm's large v8 in trucks. Like was said if it fits, someone will put the 6.2 in a stang evidently bowles didn't have a issue, it fit between the towers. I saw it but he had real help w his buddy Jack R.

[85XR7Project]

Looks more like the 427 Cammer to me.

[Deimos]

I heard the fixed the spark plug problems on the new trucks. Look neat of what I've seen on shorty's truck

[69gt4speed]

Bill Coon 427 cammer head pic
http://imagehost.vendio.com/bin/imageserver.x/00000000/bigmick45/.mids/SOHC.JPG
Kaase Boss 429 head pic
http://www.jonkaaseracingengines.com/images/stories/bare.jpg
6.2l sohc
http://i438.photobucket.com/albums/qq103/Shangstasvt/62mod3.jpg

[69gt4speed]

I heard the fixed the spark plug problems on the new trucks. Look neat of what I've seen on shorty's truck

This 6.2 head looks to use same plugs as my 4v, no special plug like early 3v.

[69gt4speed]

I had to do a google search to double take that to the 4.6 2v. I thought those rocker arms looked odd. Looks like it brings that valve angle out pretty far. Any idea how big the runners are? I'd love to see a back to back comparison of those of a flow bench against previous heads. Look nice :biggrin:

Flow # on 6.2l heads are low 300 cfm on intake stock at .500 lift. Valve sizes.. Ford 6.2L BOSS - 2.10"/1.65"
Bellhousing pattern same as mod mtrs and it has already been swapped into s197 new stang by ford powertrain using a existing auto transmission, not confirmed but suppose to be 8 bolt forged crank seeing it's in a hd truck.
Confirmed size max is around 480 c.i. Plenty big to spank a ls3 w 6.2l stroker n/a. Bowles remember went mid 9's n/a w this at 427 c.i.
Take a look here... it says so gm guys...lol
http://i438.photobucket.com/albums/qq103/Shangstasvt/62mod5.jpg

[DustinsDuster]

300cfm stock is pretty damn impressive.

[Domestic Disturbance]

300cfm stock is pretty damn impressive.
been factory ls heads making over 300cfm for years now :biggrin: no biggie. Hard to compare the ls3 block to this new iron block as far as how you big you can take it. high 400's is pretty big though; thats lsx territory. If hotrod or engine masters would jump on this comparison big cube factory block truck engines, would stand to be pretty interesting.

[NitrousMike]

300 cfm at only .500 lift !

[69gt4speed]

True 4v heads have done that for a while also. Compared to the old 2v though a huge improvement though how much you need w 281 c.i.? I know already couple guys have a engine on way to swap into a s197 new stang, question some have is will it fit in a fox or new edge and wiring the engine, cam phasers. Also the intake is high as a truck has lots of room there. Cowl hood might be needed etc.

That's stock untouched casting btw, no fancy ls7 cnc tricks. That automotive school got a engine and put the heads on a superflow flow bench.

[Domestic Disturbance]

Very nice. No tricks with later genIV heads either though. L92's even break 300cfm at .500, and ls3/ls7 heads are better than those.

[69gt4speed]

Another head pic for those that didn't bother, the ports seem fairly high up but not huge. That's normally a good deal, intake port on that overall pic looks quite a bit smaller than my fe cj heads but flows 50cfm more as cast.
http://i438.photobucket.com/albums/qq103/Shangstasvt/62mod1.jpg

[Domestic Disturbance]

Sweet. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to knock on these engines. Good to see them making heads that flow that well with a 2v setup. Love 4v's, but they are expensive little engines. Those guys you know say how much they are paying for these engines minus harness etc?

[69gt4speed]

One guy got 5 proto types for a junkyard price he did not say exact price. The other did not say, it was a truck mule engine. Overall looks to me that valvetrain is mighty sturdy. W rocker arms over top of cams it pushes cams down so it doesn't need that ladder support to run big cams.

Btw accufab owner john m has 2 5.0 4v engines going to westech for full build. He claims at least 3000 hp out of this engine, guess we'll see. He claims it will spool 2 88mm turbos good. It has independent variable cam timing on intake and exhaust cams. I just don't have pics yet of internal parts. It will use like a ford gt 4v head.

[Domestic Disturbance]

3000hp out of a factory block? Sorry if I have a hard time buying that claim, that's one that'll need proof.

[black88gt]

3000hp out of a factory block? Sorry if I have a hard time buying that claim, that's one that'll need proof.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfp2vEvuCBg

stock modular w/ crappy bore spacing

2300ish hp

[sparkles]

Proof?

[black88gt]

The "Stock" CombinationWhat makes John's power and speed so impressive is the small displacement and stock source for major portions of his engine program. Displacement is 282 ci--call it a stock 4.6 liters--using a stock aluminum Cobra block; stock old-style, "B" dual-port, Four-Valve cylinder heads, as found in a '95 Lincoln; and a stock 4.6 Cobra crankshaft. Twin Garrett turbochargers supply a mind-bending 52 pounds of boost on top of an over 11:1 static compression ratio on gasoline!

http://www.mustang50magazine.com/techar ... index.html (http://www.mustang50magazine.com/techarticles/m5lp_0906_mercury_cougar_cobra_hybrid/index.html)

[Mufflover]

Proof?

We are still waiting on proof that your not gay? :butthead:

[69gt4speed]

3000hp out of a factory block? Sorry if I have a hard time buying that claim, that's one that'll need proof.

John m gets 2500 hp now 52# of boost 11/1 compression out of a teksid block. That's w 76mm turbos. You think he is full of bs? Ran faster than any other mod engine car. When he sneaked that cougar into the import classes he blew them out and they banned him..

[sparkles]

Proof?

We are still waiting on proof that your not gay? :butthead:

Talk to your mom. She'll tell ya :yawinkle:

[69gt4speed]

3000hp out of a factory block? Sorry if I have a hard time buying that claim, that's one that'll need proof.

Well let's put it this way Ryan's 5.4 prob will put down 1.8k at least on a engine dyno at 28#. A evo can put down what 1.6k at 50# on engine dyno to get 1k whp at 16% loss. It isn't a big stretch being those engines are similar to put down 3k at 50# w double the displacement. Yea he fills the block mostly w hardner, a lot of ppl been doing that for yrs. I have heard from sutton a boss mod block will hold 3k w no issues, no hardner etc. But that is not stock per say but like a lsx block. Rumor is the new 5.0 alum block is better than a teksid alum but we will see, supposed to be based on the boss mod block. I would say a run of the mill old 4.6 iron is good for 1.5k engine dyno hp. They never have much trouble w those blocks unless the rod/piston blows.

Just give ford thanks for having the first cross bolt main oem mass production block in late 62 w the 406 fe. A good idea thats been proven in 8k hp nitro engines. They all do it now, cheapest, strongest, lightest weight setup. Oh yea I liked the lsx shirt.. Looks sweet

[69gt4speed]

Some cut away pics of 6.2l engine..
http://www.modularfords.com/forums/atta ... 1264046042 (http://www.modularfords.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=67016&d=1264046042)
http://www.modularfords.com/forums/atta ... 1264046042 (http://www.modularfords.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=67019&d=1264046042)
http://www.modularfords.com/forums/atta ... 1264046042 (http://www.modularfords.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=67018&d=1264046042)
http://www.modularfords.com/forums/atta ... 1264046092 (http://www.modularfords.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=67020&d=1264046092)
http://www.modularfords.com/forums/atta ... 1264046042 (http://www.modularfords.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=67017&d=1264046042)

That last pic shows piston squirters to cool pistons for say forced induction/nitrous. And no doesn't appear valve faces are finished.

[sparkles]

GM has been doing the oil squirter thing for a little while too.
http://image.gmhightechperformance.com/f/10764233+w750+st0/0901gmhtp_09_z+katech_performance_cadillac_cts_v_l s2_engine_build+ls2_oil_squirters.jpg
http://image.gmhightechperformance.com/f/10764260+w750+st0/0901gmhtp_10_z+katech_performance_cadillac_cts_v_l s2_engine_build+oil_squirters_screwed_into_place.j pg
I remember first seeing them used on the Cadillac v6 a couple years ago.

[Domestic Disturbance]

Thank you sparkles. I've gotten tired of trying to post rebutles for gm tech.

[85XR7Project]

Ford also has been doing this since the Ford GT's 5.4 was developed.

[sparkles]

Thank you sparkles. I've gotten tired of trying to post rebutles for gm tech.

I'm just glad all these companies are doing things like this.

[69gt4speed]

Ford also has been doing this since the Ford GT's 5.4 was developed.
Ya what he said... I already knew that and some imports have it also, no real big deal...Coyote 5.0 will have it also because of forced induction plans. Just pointing it out. Heck my old fe has a slot in the rod to spray a lil that way. On those there is one way to mount the rod properly. Boss 429 nascar had a rod w a center oil passage to the piston pin also.

[69gt4speed]

Btw I don't intend to keep up w all brands of stuff. Way to much crap to keep track of as it is. Anymore a lot of the stuff is the same cause it works for a low price. Everybody wants power and gas mileage in a truck, we'll see how this does.

[85XR7Project]

I think Ford is really starting to get their shit into the game. It almost seems like the current Ford is making interesting cars like the Ford of the 60's

[NewSpeedSteed]

Ford also has been doing this since the Ford GT's 5.4 was developed.
Ya what he said... I already knew that and some imports have it also, no real big deal...Coyote 5.0 will have it also because of forced induction plans. Just pointing it out. Heck my old fe has a slot in the rod to spray a lil that way. On those there is one way to mount the rod properly. Boss 429 nascar had a rod w a center oil passage to the piston pin also.

Ford is going to be doing alot of tinkering to get the new 5.0 to be boost friendly. It is a great motor but looking at the specs it seems that there isn't a whole lot to gain out of it (aftermarket wise) unless your looking to tear into the engine for the bigger power gains. I am not saying that there isn't any ponies to uncork but they might be more expensive than the previous generation motors. Looking at the compression ratio, boost and that kind of cp is going to be a craps shoot. As always I'm sure the aftermarket (and Ford's own people) can find a way to add forced induction- I only hope its not at a great cost to us :yawinkle: .

[black88gt]

i bet the early 5.0s will be nitrous happy

ones DI hits boost will be great

[69gt4speed]

Well bottom line 5.0 coyote was developed to outperform a stock ss camaro. No big surprise there. Rods and pistons will be needed. cams, intake, block, crank, heads already look good.

[black88gt]

Also w/ the new variable valve setup on the 5.0s the cams are computer controlled rather than by oil pressure. This allows them to be advanced or retarded on the fly while the engine is running. Accufab is looking to go a bit quicker due to this(they cant get any bigger turbos to spool due to a lack of cubes, but this will allow them to run bigger snails).

[Domestic Disturbance]

Yea he fills the block mostly w hardner
thats what I was figuring. I agree I can't keep up with all the brands either. Whats the CR supposed to be on the new 6.2 and 5.0?

Can't wait till the 6.2's come in the raptors though, my dads really been considering getting one.

[69gt4speed]

5.0 is 11/1 c.r. Idk final 6.2L specs.

[sparkles]

Explain to the non Ford following people the "Coyote" name.

[K-ville]

Explain to the non Ford following people the "Coyote" name.

its what people are calling the new 5.0 motors since they can in no way be refered to as 5ohs since people with always think pushrod motors. kinda like how sparkels=gay :bigthumb:

[85XR7Project]

Its just an internal Ford codename. Same as the Fox stangs, and the sort I would assume.

[sparkles]

its what people are calling the new 5.0 motors since they can in no way be refered to as 5ohs since people with always think pushrod motors. kinda like how sparkels=gay :bigthumb:
:suspect:

[K-ville]

i was hopin for a smart ass comment back haha

[69gt4speed]

Explain to the non Ford following people the "Coyote" name.

Every co. has project names. Ours for instance... penguin, walrus, apache, full moon, boomerang, slinky, white rabbit, etc. etc. Actually the project name coyote came about when ford sold all rights to the old dohc small block to a.j. foyt, he renamed those engines as coyote and put fuel injected turbochargers on them. It's all in 5.0 magazine this month.. So it's all about a small block dohc, about it.

[sparkles]

i was hopin for a smart ass comment back haha

I had one, but it was pretty mean. You haven't been a COMPLETE twat waffle yet to deserve it. Just a tiny one :yawinkle:

[K-ville]

i was hopin for a smart ass comment back haha

I had one, but it was pretty mean. You haven't been a COMPLETE twat waffle yet to deserve it. Just a tiny one :yawinkle:

dont you threaten me that your holding back! i will blow you!!




































UP!!!

[sparkles]

:sleep: weaksauce

[K-ville]

:sleep: weaksauce
haha there is nothing more weaksauce than :sleep: weaksauce

[sparkles]

Aight, you're obviously bored due to lack of anything else better to do. You need to be more worried about getting your butt out into the garage and working on that 5.slow of yours. It seems to have a love obsession with jackstands and iron oxide. Or maybe you should be studying up on your Busa skillz in the shop beings how some customers seem to be dissatisfied with your diagnosing abilities there at the shop. Here, I'll give you something to do. I need a price on something. I'll PM you. Thanks bud.

[K-ville]

Aight, you're obviously bored due to lack of anything else better to do. You need to be more worried about getting your butt out into the garage and working on that 5.slow of yours. It seems to have a love obsession with jackstands and iron oxide. Or maybe you should be studying up on your Busa skillz in the shop beings how some customers seem to be dissatisfied with your diagnosing abilities there at the shop. Here, I'll give you something to do. I need a price on something. I'll PM you. Thanks bud.

haha thats more like it. im workin on the car i just dont have alot to do... let me refraise that i dont have alot i can afford to do! And i never touched that busa! i was never even working on somthing in the shop at all when that bike was around. And have you ever noticed that person also just happens to have a issue with anything i say about anything?? and that he was that way with me before the busa deal?? weird huh! oh not to mention he is never happy with anything anyone does ever!! hes such a super tech yet he does nothing himself?? okay now im done or ill actually het mad about it and he is a tool and not worth it haha oh and i got you your price

[sparkles]

Aight, you're obviously bored due to lack of anything else better to do. You need to be more worried about getting your butt out into the garage and working on that 5.slow of yours. It seems to have a love obsession with jackstands and iron oxide. Or maybe you should be studying up on your Busa skillz in the shop beings how some customers seem to be dissatisfied with your diagnosing abilities there at the shop. Here, I'll give you something to do. I need a price on something. I'll PM you. Thanks bud.

haha thats more like it. im workin on the car i just dont have alot to do... let me refraise that i dont have alot i can afford to do! And i never touched that busa! i was never even working on somthing in the shop at all when that bike was around. And have you ever noticed that person also just happens to have a issue with anything i say about anything?? and that he was that way with me before the busa deal?? weird huh! oh not to mention he is never happy with anything anyone does ever!! hes such a super tech yet he does nothing himself?? okay now im done or ill actually het mad about it and he is a tool and not worth it haha oh and i got you your price
Yeah, I've had my go arounds with Dustin before. I don't remember the specifics of what was said about the whole Busa deal, but I remember thinking to myself "well if that was the problem, why didn't you fix it yourself?" I don't have much of a problem with him now though. He has some neat stuff and talks to some of the same people in the "peer group" here. The way I look at it is you might as well not shit where you eat, ya know. Everybody has there epic moments once in a while. Hell, just look at me. :supz:

[K-ville]

I personally have gona out of my way to try and make things right with him and give him car stuff at cost given the previouse deal but i dont think he wants to admit we are a good shop