high hp S4s rule

[Xboosted23X]

well i didn't want to ruin a thread so i think we should continue our discussion on oem performance here.
please bring facts to the table young one

[JustinS]

He can't bring any first hand knowledge to the table to he'll resort to insults like usual, don't worry!

[JacobS]

nooooooo he'll post a video with specs and all...and then say its a friend of a friend of a friends car! and put the mods in his sig!

[Jappbox]

david find a 500hp dsm or evo with stock motor and stock like turbo...plenty of them he said it was impossible, then he might shut up...

[Drifte]

I have a stock motor. Im not really going for numbers or anything. I have read of t25 2g's on nitrous running rediculous times. 14b is a solid turbo and clearly moves the car just fine down the 1/4. I go by track times though not some much dyno numbers. I'll take a look at the tuners times sheets.

[Jappbox]

O wait why dont we ask Derek him self!
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n269/JappBox/derek.jpg
He is the know it all!!! makes Audi's fly that he dont own!! talks shit about people he dont even know!! and look at that FAST ASS Bike... beats modded busas all day long!! with bolt on stock turbos!!
:WORSHIP:

I wish I could tune and know how to work on cars... man.... :prayer:

[Drifte]

Heres a number for ya. Still 2.0l 95 talon tsi, stock drivetrain, 42r....

http://bbrooks.doitbig.org/BrooksTuningServices/media/1016whp.jpg

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/members ... 11531.html (http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/members/primedtsi-11531.html)

[derek072887]

so the motor has never even had the heads of that motor ^? didn't think so... show me a dsm motor that has never been taken apart for any reason (meaning the head has never come off, timing belts, and other maintenance doesn't matter), and has an OEM turbo! not stock like and deff not a 42r dumb ass....

and jesse, that was me when i was like 19! lol and i don't own that bike anymore.. but before i got rid of it, it did run an 11.1 in the quarter... oh and yes its a 1995 cbr 600 f3, still had stock carbs and a stock exhaust other then a slip on....

[JustinS]

O wait why dont we ask Derek him self!
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n269/JappBox/derek.jpg
He is the know it all!!! makes Audi's fly that he dont own!! talks shit about people he dont even know!! and look at that FAST ASS Bike... beats modded busas all day long!! with bolt on stock turbos!!
:WORSHIP:

I wish I could tune and know how to work on cars... man.... :prayer:

For sale is a 1995 Honda CBR 600 F3 22000 miles. It has a D&D slip on with SS mid pipe, K&N air filter. It was laid down when i fell off the back doing a wheelie needs new left upper fairing, Left inspection panel, left tail section, new seat, and new left mirror. Has frame sliders so nothing else was damaged. Will also need one new frame slider. The bike runs and drives wonderfully even after being laid down. It will need a new front tire a new rear tire is included. If you have any questions i will be happy to answer them just pm me or ask in this thread. I do not have a deffinate price so all reasonable offers will be considered. I have alot of bills to pay due to the accident.

Thanks for looking.
Derek Gingerich
http://cbrforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24443


LOL, mad wheelies yo!

[JustinS]

and jesse, that was me when i was like 19! lol and i don't own that bike anymore.. but before i got rid of it, it did run an 11.1 in the quarter... oh and yes its a 1995 cbr 600 f3, still had stock carbs and a stock exhaust other then a slip on....

I'm going to go ahead and call bull shit on that one, prove it.

[derek072887]

make fun of me idc... everyone motorcycle rider wrecks at some point... and i never did sell the bike on that forum i ended up keeping it for abit and rebuilding it to run the times i mentioned earlier...

[Jappbox]

I am only hating on you because you started it, runing your mouth making stuff up, saying I cant tune, saying I blow motors up... So stop being GAY and Ill stop. till then everyone on this forum will make fun of you!

[SaNdMaNsSi]

Lol...great pic. Who would've thought that 2 years later you could've gotten any gayer?

[FiFdYnUtZ]

yeah usually maturity comes with age ???

[snickerlicker]

yeah usually maturity comes with age ???


That's open to debate...

[Xboosted23X]

you need to make up your mind what you want.
you dont have to take the head off to put cams in.

and you said you could upgrade exhaust. which last time i check would be exhaust manifold, turbo, down pipe, etc. im sure you get the point.
did i miss it or did you not post up examples of your 500 hp stock s4.
so you telling me that a stock s4 without any upgrades made 500 hp

[JacobS]

so the motor has never even had the heads of that motor ^? didn't think so... show me a dsm motor that has never been taken apart for any reason (meaning the head has never come off, timing belts, and other maintenance doesn't matter), and has an OEM turbo! not stock like and deff not a 42r dumb ass....

and jesse, that was me when i was like 19! lol and i don't own that bike anymore.. but before i got rid of it, it did run an 11.1 in the quarter... oh and yes its a 1995 cbr 600 f3, still had stock carbs and a stock exhaust other then a slip on....

you dont need to take the head off of the block in order to intall cams. STM's evo had over 500hp on the stock engine. another STM car had that on a STOCK 7-bolt engine.

[JacobS]

and at some point in time, every car is going to have the head/s off for a rebuild, doesnt matter what brand of car it is.

[TbTalon94]

There is a 2g dsm that made 500whp with a bone stock 7bolt. Look around. Ever heard of a guy named Curt Brown? Look his name up. He has had VERY VERY fast DSMs, all nothing spectacular and most with stock motors. He has made over 450whp on a 16g...stock style turbo, which also was on a STOCK 7-bolt motor.

[FiFdYnUtZ]

why discuss this with him, what can you build for less money and go faster? which one has the fastest overall? which has for fast cars out there? im going out on a limb and saying its dsm over s4....and fyi not everyone likes to waste 10k in mods on a car that will BARELY beat a 12.9 vette

[CiViC-Wanted]

so the motor has never even had the heads of that motor ^? didn't think so... show me a dsm motor that has never been taken apart for any reason (meaning the head has never come off, timing belts, and other maintenance doesn't matter), and has an OEM turbo! not stock like and deff not a 42r dumb ass....

and jesse, that was me when i was like 19! lol and i don't own that bike anymore.. but before i got rid of it, it did run an 11.1 in the quarter... oh and yes its a 1995 cbr 600 f3, still had stock carbs and a stock exhaust other then a slip on....

you dont need to take the head off of the block in order to intall cams. STM's evo had over 500hp on the stock engine. another STM car had that on a STOCK 7-bolt engine.


Pretty sure STMs Evo had alittle more that 500HP, It was a stock 7bolt with a 42R, made awesome numbers, and eventually made a nice paper weight. Sounds like there building something alittle more out there now.

[CiViC-Wanted]

Not trying to start shit or anything, I dont know half of the people on this site since im from Ames. But if I was derek or whatever his name is that brags about his dads car. I would quite talking and visit another fourm, obvoiusly I can tell no one likes you, and your full of shit. If you look in the Trash Section on here, 90% of the topics started are about you!

[Xboosted23X]

i would like to see him on dragsource. i think they would enjoy ripping on him.

now i see he hasn't posted. and i would like to see some high horsepower s4's
but im open minded unlike you. and i am not saying that it is impossible.
curt brown is a good example but he is on a built motor.

[derek072887]

i do have an open mind.... and i still have yet to be proven wrong when i say you can't take a DSM motor and get 500hp outta it without taking the valve cover off of it, sticking with and OEM turbo, not OEM like! OEmotherfuckinM!! and get 500 crank hp outta it.... IT IS FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE!!! and just for you fuckin idiots a 42R is NOT OEM!!!! im sure if i put a 42R on an S4 it would be pretty damn close to 800hp if not more! but it would obviously not last long with out taking to motor apart and building it with performance parts....

again all i ask is for you to show me a DSM that can make 500hp with a stock motor, and an OEM turbo

[Xboosted23X]

you said it yourself that you could change the exhaust.
but curt brown 499 whp on a 16g turbo which is what comes on evos stock. on a mustang dyno. which if you know anything about dynos mustangs read low. i believe i have said this before and i think colton said that dyno numbers dont really mean much as there are so many different dynos and settings that it is impossible to get a set reading for every dyno. a dyno is a tuning tool. track times are a better idea for horsepower.
and i have still yet to see your bone stock s4 make 500 hp
we have given examples and you have not.

so you dont even want whp which is alot lower than crank hp
so 500 crank hp would be about 415 whp saying that you have about 17% for drive train loss.
def not hard to do that

[CiViC-Wanted]

I just saw DSMtuners had a guy make 424 or 442 on a stock motor a 16g, Id post the link, but half the people here could look at it since there not member. And yes a 16g is a OEM turbo came on model, and is cosidered to be stock/OEM. So there you go about as close to 500 as you get. Maybe you before you brag on how your S4 made 500 on stock shit, maybe you should post the specs on the turbo, proablly has a bigger turbo than a 16g, also how many liters is it, this might be like comparing apples to oranges. You 2.4? with a turbo the size of a DSM 20g, would obvoiusly not compare to a stock 2.0 with a 14b.

[JacobS]

who cares if you cant (and im not saying its impossible because i dont know enough about DSM's to make that kind of assumption) do it on a stock turbo or stock cams or a stock head or any of that other bullshit. dsm's arent like audis, theyre easy to modify and when you line an audi and a DSM up next to each other with the same amount of money in upgrades, whos coming out on top?

we dont hate you because you like audis, we hate you because you think audis cant be beat (which by the way you still have yet to post a dyno graph or a video of a 900+hp audi) and you think your daddy's car is hot shit.

ya see, if you got on here, and posted about your celica that you claim to own, we probably would have excepted you...but you didnt...

[JacobS]

and of course...

http://forums.evolutionm.net/evo-dyno-t ... turbo.html (http://forums.evolutionm.net/evo-dyno-tuning-results/408623-evo-ix-421hp-371tq-e85-stock-turbo.html)

[CiViC-Wanted]

I love E85 numbers, thats why im waiting for injectors and a pump, and be right about where im at-400s. And ill have just about 2000-2500 in mods to make 400hp.

[CiViC-Wanted]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KypKdoM6 ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KypKdoM62sE&feature=related)

Read the Title Highest HP turbo S4, I did see a 1000hp one too I guess. But if thats all the higher they go, lets post some High horse power DSMs up. Also are those really twin turbo, how do you compare a twin turbo car, that proablly a v6 or v8, to a 4 cylinder single turbo DSM, obvoiusly you should have more HP stock. So please put down the big glass of "Im a Retard Juice" and pull your head out of your ass, and grow up alittle, and buy a car of your own, and gain some respect.

[JacobS]

you know what, ill show you a video of a local talon, with a BONE stock 7-bolt engine with cams, pump gas, and bolt-ons with ~450hp. and i do believe this car wen 11.6x if i remember correctly!

http://s5.photobucket.com/albums/y153/c ... 0_0291.flv (http://s5.photobucket.com/albums/y153/coogrman08/?action=view&current=100_0291.flv)

[Ricky]

who cares if it bone stock... why dont we say this... Find a DSM with only about 5,000 dollars in mods total (which is less the the OEM turbo kit step dad had installed on the S4) and see what power they make... that is way more fare since its about money and not OEM parts... A 2,500 1st gen dsm with 2,500 of used parts could walk that S4

[Drifte]

i do have an open mind.... and i still have yet to be proven wrong when i say you can't take a DSM motor and get 500hp outta it without taking the valve cover off of it, sticking with and OEM turbo, not OEM like! OEmotherfuckinM!! and get 500 crank hp outta it.... IT IS FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE!!! and just for you fuckin idiots a 42R is NOT OEM!!!! im sure if i put a 42R on an S4 it would be pretty damn close to 800hp if not more! but it would obviously not last long with out taking to motor apart and building it with performance parts....

again all i ask is for you to show me a DSM that can make 500hp with a stock motor, and an OEM turbo

500hp now without the valve cover off. hmm no your probably right, our cars are 16 years old now.

OEM options:
TDO4-9B-6CM2 265 CFM TDO5H-14G-8CM2 465 CFM
TDO5-12A-8CM2 320 CFM TDO5H-16G-7CM2 505 CFM
TDO4-13G-5CM2 360 CFM TDO5H-16G-10CM2 505 CFM
TEO4-13C-6CM2 360 CFM TDO6-17C-8CM2 550 CFM
TDO4L-13G-6CM2 360 CFM TDO6H-20G-14CM2 650 CFM
TDO4L-15C-8.5CM2 390 CFM TDO7S-25G-17CM2 850 CFM
TDO5H-14B-6CM2 405 CFM TFO8L-30V-18CM2 1200 CFM

My oem turbo is in bold for you.

" it would obviously not last long with out taking to motor apart and building it with performance parts...." Right, which is the whole point to a reliable build. Where maintenance is done and valve covers are occasionally removed.

I am a bit confused though, you say stock 500hp at the crank. If its stock isnt it what Audi rated it still? Lets compare HP per Liter..DSM wins again.

[Jappbox]

500 crank hp, is like 425whp... way easy to do on a OEM 20G turbo... fucking retard...

[derek072887]

who cares if you cant (and im not saying its impossible because i dont know enough about DSM's to make that kind of assumption) do it on a stock turbo or stock cams or a stock head or any of that other bullshit. dsm's arent like audis, theyre easy to modify and when you line an audi and a DSM up next to each other with the same amount of money in upgrades, whos coming out on top?

we dont hate you because you like audis, we hate you because you think audis cant be beat (which by the way you still have yet to post a dyno graph or a video of a 900+hp audi) and you think your daddy's car is hot shit.

ya see, if you got on here, and posted about your celica that you claim to own, we probably would have excepted you...but you didnt...


accepted....

[derek072887]

you know what, ill show you a video of a local talon, with a BONE stock 7-bolt engine with cams, pump gas, and bolt-ons with ~450hp. and i do believe this car wen 11.6x if i remember correctly!

http://s5.photobucket.com/albums/y153/c ... 0_0291.flv (http://s5.photobucket.com/albums/y153/coogrman08/?action=view&current=100_0291.flv)

not OEM or stock cams...

[Jappbox]

I got one for ya, find a S4 that will beat a DSM of my choice! hahahaha

[derek072887]

i do have an open mind.... and i still have yet to be proven wrong when i say you can't take a DSM motor and get 500hp outta it without taking the valve cover off of it, sticking with and OEM turbo, not OEM like! OEmotherfuckinM!! and get 500 crank hp outta it.... IT IS FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE!!! and just for you fuckin idiots a 42R is NOT OEM!!!! im sure if i put a 42R on an S4 it would be pretty damn close to 800hp if not more! but it would obviously not last long with out taking to motor apart and building it with performance parts....

again all i ask is for you to show me a DSM that can make 500hp with a stock motor, and an OEM turbo

500hp now without the valve cover off. hmm no your probably right, our cars are 16 years old now.

OEM options:
TDO4-9B-6CM2 265 CFM TDO5H-14G-8CM2 465 CFM
TDO5-12A-8CM2 320 CFM TDO5H-16G-7CM2 505 CFM
TDO4-13G-5CM2 360 CFM TDO5H-16G-10CM2 505 CFM
TEO4-13C-6CM2 360 CFM TDO6-17C-8CM2 550 CFM
TDO4L-13G-6CM2 360 CFM TDO6H-20G-14CM2 650 CFM
TDO4L-15C-8.5CM2 390 CFM TDO7S-25G-17CM2 850 CFM
TDO5H-14B-6CM2 405 CFM TFO8L-30V-18CM2 1200 CFM

My oem turbo is in bold for you.

" it would obviously not last long with out taking to motor apart and building it with performance parts...." Right, which is the whole point to a reliable build. Where maintenance is done and valve covers are occasionally removed.

I am a bit confused though, you say stock 500hp at the crank. If its stock isnt it what Audi rated it still? Lets compare HP per Liter..DSM wins again.


OEM does not mean stock......fuckin idiot... and also you are right it WOULDN'T last long with out a rebuild... the s4 can be DAILY driven with 500 crank hp without even having to worry about the motor... can a DSM do that NO IT FUCKIN CANT!!!! god damn it you guys can't fuckin read!!!

[FiFdYnUtZ]

is there any other way you would like to tailor the situation to favor the audi? does it have to have a functional antenna? does it have to have OEM quality oil and washer fluid in it? or maybe even OEM spark plugs?!? durr...as far as im concerned, dsm's outperform audis for the money by a large margin, and its not a big job to swap cams in one unlike the audi so maybe thats why everyone does it...

[derek072887]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xL0yFacPJk 900 whp audi s4....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MERn7VbS ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MERn7VbSekg&feature=related) same car fly by
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS8yMhC7 ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS8yMhC7cY8&feature=related) 976whp s4...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHtp3oS7 ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHtp3oS7JZU&feature=related) 1000hp s4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxFRMM9h ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxFRMM9hoMw&feature=related) AWESOME RUN!!!

enough proof of 900 hp s4's?

[derek072887]

is there any other way you would like to tailor the situation to favor the audi? does it have to have a functional antenna? does it have to have OEM quality oil and washer fluid in it? or maybe even OEM spark plugs?!? durr...as far as im concerned, dsm's outperform audis for the money by a large margin, and its not a big job to swap cams in one unlike the audi so maybe thats why everyone does it...

its not that big of a job to swap cams in the audi...

[Xboosted23X]

that first video, he is missing his oem bumper.

ok so that is one thing we asked for. good job.
now where are the stock 425 hp cars. although thats not much of an improvement.
how bout we take the 500 crank - stock crank and get the difference and then see what that is for a dsm
stock s4 250 hp so take your 500 crank - 250 stock = 250 gain
stock dsm 195 so 195 + 250 = 445 crank x .83 for drivetrain loss 369 whp
that would be a fair way to figure.
did i lose you anywhere.
also 250 out of a 2.7 is 92 hp per liter
195 out of a 2.0 is 97 winner dsm
but since the dsm/evo doesnt need all these advantages to meet your requirements.
what is your definition of oem.
when i think oem i think of how it rolled off the lot. no changes

[derek072887]

no dumb ass, OEM is not stock! huge difference!! and those video's were of the 900+hp audi's those do NOT have many oem parts at all...

[Xboosted23X]

Original
Equipment
Manufacturer

i think the word original pretty much sums it up as stock.
can someone please fill me in on my misunderstanding

[derek072887]

yes and all the parts are from the original equipment manufacturer... audi!!

[Xboosted23X]

so if you take a 4 cylinder s10 and put a 555 big block in it thats fine and still oem

[derek072887]

did an s10 ever come with a big block? everything in the s4 came on on an s4 at some point in time....

[derek072887]

but technically yes its oem

[Ricky]

see i can do it too....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERycquSx7wA

[K-ville]

and jesse, that was me when i was like 19! lol and i don't own that bike anymore.. but before i got rid of it, it did run an 11.1 in the quarter... oh and yes its a 1995 cbr 600 f3, still had stock carbs and a stock exhaust other then a slip on....

I'm going to go ahead and call bull shit on that one, prove it.

second that

[derek072887]

see i can do it too....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERycquSx7wA

i just did what was asked dick head!

[Ricky]

Fixed the bike pic....

[derek072887]

hhhmmm some one forgot their age...

[Drifte]

i do have an open mind.... and i still have yet to be proven wrong when i say you can't take a DSM motor and get 500hp outta it without taking the valve cover off of it, sticking with and OEM turbo, not OEM like! OEmotherfuckinM!! and get 500 crank hp outta it.... IT IS FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE!!! and just for you fuckin idiots a 42R is NOT OEM!!!! im sure if i put a 42R on an S4 it would be pretty damn close to 800hp if not more! but it would obviously not last long with out taking to motor apart and building it with performance parts....

again all i ask is for you to show me a DSM that can make 500hp with a stock motor, and an OEM turbo

500hp now without the valve cover off. hmm no your probably right, our cars are 16 years old now.

OEM options:
TDO4-9B-6CM2 265 CFM TDO5H-14G-8CM2 465 CFM
TDO5-12A-8CM2 320 CFM TDO5H-16G-7CM2 505 CFM
TDO4-13G-5CM2 360 CFM TDO5H-16G-10CM2 505 CFM
TEO4-13C-6CM2 360 CFM TDO6-17C-8CM2 550 CFM
TDO4L-13G-6CM2 360 CFM TDO6H-20G-14CM2 650 CFM
TDO4L-15C-8.5CM2 390 CFM TDO7S-25G-17CM2 850 CFM
TDO5H-14B-6CM2 405 CFM TFO8L-30V-18CM2 1200 CFM

My oem turbo is in bold for you.

" it would obviously not last long with out taking to motor apart and building it with performance parts...." Right, which is the whole point to a reliable build. Where maintenance is done and valve covers are occasionally removed.

I am a bit confused though, you say stock 500hp at the crank. If its stock isnt it what Audi rated it still? Lets compare HP per Liter..DSM wins again.


OEM does not mean stock......[CHILDISH NAME CALLING]... and also you are right it WOULDN'T last long with out a rebuild... the s4 can be DAILY driven with 500 crank hp without even having to worry about the motor... can a DSM do that NO IT FUCKIN CANT!!!! god damn it you guys can't fuckin read!!!

I quoted you saying it wouldn't last long without a rebuild. I can read; its very clear your comprehension is low.

Now, where is the 450-500crank hp audis that apparently run rampant straight outa Audi? No proof yet, already 3 pages. OEM, well I drive a Mitsubishi, benefit to that is I can run lots of Mitsu turbos, or even a 72" tv in my car and call it stock.

Then again, why do I bring up my car, I should compare some guys car I happen to know.

[n8kerns]

Ok if were comparing stock...lets compare apples to apples Evo vs Audi. Both 4 door performance and we all know mitsubishi gave the evo all the love.

97-00 audi s4 v6 twin turbo came with 258 ft·lb (350 N·m) and 195 kW (265 PS/261 bhp) and 400 N·m (295 ft·lbf) and 250 hp (186 kW/253 PS) in america.

The Evo IV made in 96-98, a year before your audi, made 280 PS (276 hp/206 kW) 260 ft·lbf (352 N·m) with 2 less cylinders and 1 less turbo. And they just kept getting faster from there leaving your audi behind or on ebay because the owners want a dsm now. <---btw thats all OEM AND STOCK.


And someone correct me if I'm wrong but I think EVO's came with a 4g63 block until well past 2000 didn't they?

[Xboosted23X]

but its still the same manufacturer. and that is all that oem is.
and we are still waiting on this stock off the show room floor 425 whp s4.
you did one thing that we asked for but this one you might start back pedaling.

[CiViC-Wanted]

And someone correct me if I'm wrong but I think EVO's came with a 4g63 block until well past 2000 didn't they?[/quote]

Not exzactly the same block but still a 4g63 until I think the Evo X. Just alittle different. But like I said earilier this is a apples to oranges discussion, audi twin turbo 2+ liters, Compared to a DSM with 2.0 liters and a single turbo.

[Drifte]

This kid doesnt back pedal, hes so dense he still thinks hes right. Give it time he will prove it (that hes dense that is). Could post up the Top Gear vid with the S4 and Evo and I believe STI.

[SaNdMaNsSi]

Ricky, he wouldn't eat the dick in that pic. It wasn't OEM.

[JustinS]

and jesse, that was me when i was like 19! lol and i don't own that bike anymore.. but before i got rid of it, it did run an 11.1 in the quarter... oh and yes its a 1995 cbr 600 f3, still had stock carbs and a stock exhaust other then a slip on....

I'm going to go ahead and call bull shit on that one, prove it.

second that

Ahem. Got any proof?

[Ricky]

Ricky, he wouldn't eat the dick in that pic. It wasn't OEM.

O i thought it was an option when buying a bike that looked like that....

a purple bike? really...? did it come with rainbow graphics too?

[SaNdMaNsSi]

Came complete with that haircut though.

[Drifte]

Purple and lime green are my girlfriends favorite colors. But not combined...yikes.

[slow ride]

A stock longblock s4 with the only stock upgrade bolt on turbos will make 500whp on a dynojet no problem with the correct fuel. It's a nicer car all around, but hard to work on, expensive to work on and has limited aftermarket tuning choices. I honestly believe on a engine dyno a stock longblock 2.7tt will be able to make more hp than a 4g63 if turbo upgrades are the only change. You can't fit large turbos on a s4 due to lack of space and if you want factory reliability. I'd take the s4 any day over a DSM/EVO, but that just personal preference and I wouldn't brag about it.

[TbTalon94]

the humble truth ^

[derek072887]

thank you very much!

[FiFdYnUtZ]

A stock longblock s4 with the only stock upgrade bolt on turbos will make 500whp on a dynojet no problem with the correct fuel. It's a nicer car all around, but hard to work on, expensive to work on and has limited aftermarket tuning choices. I honestly believe on a engine dyno a stock longblock 2.7tt will be able to make more hp than a 4g63 if turbo upgrades are the only change. You can't fit large turbos on a s4 due to lack of space and if you want factory reliability. I'd take the s4 any day over a DSM/EVO, but that just personal preference and I wouldn't brag about it.

and thats a large portion of the reason derek lacks respect on this forum...

[tractioncontrol]

I got one for ya, find a S4 that will beat a DSM of my choice! hahahaha


I found one for you, it's not stock, why don't you choose your car.........or wait maybe the AMS EVO is a better choice, at least it will stand a chance.

[tractioncontrol]

I am only hating on you because you started it, runing your mouth making stuff up, saying I cant tune, saying I blow motors up... So stop being GAY and Ill stop. till then everyone on this forum will make fun of you!


:rolleyes:

[96-eclipse-gst]

A stock longblock s4 with the only stock upgrade bolt on turbos will make 500whp on a dynojet no problem with the correct fuel. It's a nicer car all around, but hard to work on, expensive to work on and has limited aftermarket tuning choices. I honestly believe on a engine dyno a stock longblock 2.7tt will be able to make more hp than a 4g63 if turbo upgrades are the only change. You can't fit large turbos on a s4 due to lack of space and if you want factory reliability. I'd take the s4 any day over a DSM/EVO, but that just personal preference and I wouldn't brag about it.

I've driven a dsm for oh five years now. I previously worked at Volkswagen and had the chance to work on some audi's considering they are one and the same. Got a chance to work on the beauitiful 2.7. I have to say, I really like driving Audi/VW but I would hate to work on them to modify them. They are just a pain in the ass. Practically everything in a DSM is fairly easy.

My other comparisons are straight forward:
These audi's are how many years newer than DSM's.
Audi's cost thousands of dollars more than a DSM
Audi parts are quite expensive themselves
Audi doesnt have the aftermarket background that DSM's do
Audi often requires special tools that DSM's do not
Audi's and DSM's were built in compleltely different ways

Had the choice to pick a DSM (90-99) or a new Audi S4 and NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR IT
then I just MIGHT pick an audi but I love my dsm to death.

You throw up being able to choose an Evo or an Audi S4, you fucking know Im getting the EVO.

I'm sorry derek, but you simply are arguing about the wrong thing. I could give a flying fuck less what a stock DSM, stock EVO, stock fucking s4 can do. God knows none of us keep these cars stock for long. What can I say boost is addictive. Once you feel it, you want more.

[derek072887]

OEM IS NOT STOCK YOU FUCKING RETARDS!!!!! I HAVE NOT COMPARED STOCK VS STOCK AT ALL!!! I SAID OEM.... and you guys think im slow...

[CiViC-Wanted]

We think your slow, because YOU ARE SLOW!!!!

[Ricky]

OEM IS NOT STOCK YOU FUCKING RETARDS!!!!! I HAVE NOT COMPARED STOCK VS STOCK AT ALL!!! I SAID OEM.... and you guys think im slow...


WE KNOW WHAT OEM MEANS! OMG chill out about your OEM crap

[FiFdYnUtZ]

OEM!!!! AAHHHHH OEM! O-E-M!!

[derek072887]

well you keep saying you wanna see a stock s4 with 500 crank hp.. well i never said there was a stock s4 with 500 crank hp.. i said an OEM s4 with 500 crank hp

[JacobS]

well then show us that...

[Drifte]

OEM from filter to exhaust tip?

[NewSpeedSteed]

I understand what Derek is trying to say (at least I think I do) he is saying that all of his parts are 'stock' Audi stuff. Meaning he might have RS6 turbos on the car, even though there not stock on the S4 they are stock on the RS6. So I can see why he is calling/claiming that all the parts are 'stock' Audi.

Honestly I don't agree with that thinking because just as Xboosted23X said you could have a little S10 truck and raid the GM parts bin for a big block Chevy engine to put in. That's in theory what Derek has with the S4. It's like since I have an 03 Mustang with a DOHC 4.6L V8 and I swap it out for the DOHC 5.4L V8 found in the 2000 Cobra R and calling it oem since at one time the Mustang came with a 5.4 but mine didn't. That being said,I'm not going to call him wrong for thinking that (even though in my opinion he is) but I'm sure someone somewhere agrees that he is right. Personally I think stock is for suckers, even though Audi parts are engineered very well everything can be improved upon in the aftermarket so I don't see why he claims its oem equipment like its something to brag about.

As far as the car value goes, all cars deprecate (to an extent) and granted low production cars, 'classic' cars and etc start to regain and often exceed their original value doesn't mean in 20 years your car is suddenly worth more money. Just because you have modified your car does not mean you will get more money for it either. In many cases you will have a harder time selling it because buyers worry that the car has been beaten on. Even if you have all the stock parts and tell the potential buyer that, there's still no proof that you haven't beaten on the car.
Sorry for the long (and possibly confusing post).

[tractioncontrol]

The turbos on his car are off of an Rs4, still the B5 chassis on the A4 platform. It is oem and was installed at the factory on that model avant, with that motor, with a factory widebody. Rs6 turbos would be a better upgrade. It isn't the same as any big block chevy in an S10.

[Xboosted23X]

the s10 thing might be alil extreme but according to him, its a valid way to look at it.
he stated that you couldnt change a intake, turbo, etc

[tractioncontrol]

He said no aftermarket turbos.

His car doesn't make 500hp on an engine dyno. If he wants to pay cor the dyno I'll prove it.

[DJ0820]

That bike is tits, just needed to be fightered out