New mustang w some real cubic inches

[69gt4speed]

I first looked at new stangs knew they had a big engine compartment. Check out kaase's new stang with his new boss cylinder heads and intake and valve covers. Heads stock fit/appearing/bolt up for those classic guys and flow real good as cast. 100 hp over the p51 wedge. 589 c.i. 889 hp w over 800# of tq n/a w a street cam, pump gas. Similar engine placed 3 or 4 in engine masters contest. Looks good in the new stang imo. Do I detect a stick, sweet.
http://www.jonkaaseracingengines.com/images/stories/jonkaase34.jpg
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[NewSpeedSteed]

The first words that came out of me when I saw the pics were "oh wow" and "shiny!"
Even though theres nothing wrong with the current mod motors it would be nice to have a little more cubes. After all there is no replacement for displacement; I'm sure forced induction is going to be brought up as a replacement for displacement but I view it more like boost is displacement on demand instead of a replacement.

[FiFdYnUtZ]

pretty sweet! and very nice #'s

[DJ0820]

Too many pullies

[Drifte]

lol theirs only NINE.

[69gt4speed]

Too many pullies....
Well there... lets see, ps/hydraboost, alt, a/c compressor, water pump, crank and aux. idlers (4). He said it wasn't bad doing the pullies at all. It would have been real sweet to have efi but put a plate under the carb would be plenty. That's a 2000 hp rated alum block, crank, rods and pistons there. Just cam and heads and compression make it streetable pump gas. It has a/c after all. Anyway it all fits fine.

03 btw has more. 2 banks worth, 6 and 8 rib.

[allgo]

Lots of pullies cause there lots of power... some people would not understand that.lol

[69gt4speed]

Lots of pullies cause there lots of power... some people would not understand that.lol

Well, try making that 889hp n/a on 91 pump gas out of a 2.0l 4 cylinder. Unless some kind of alien tech can't be done as far as I know w a decent power curve w a/c. I'm not trying to be a azz. Mpg, def c.i. loses. No way it could get 25 mpg.

But Kaase said no more 10k cylinder heads and other stuff for retro boss 429 ppl. And he improved the heads while making them bolt on for a reg old 429/460. I'd say for ford ppl that's a win. Like I said placed 3 or 4 in enginemasters shootout. Tells me they are effiicent.

Turbo at 14.7 psi or 1 bar about double it. Drop compression to 9/1 have at least 1500hp on 93. It can be done w right cam.

[Mufflover]

Too many pullies

Typical import lover hating on a car thats nicer then any rice burner out there.

[drfast4ward]

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[drfast4ward]

Lots of pullies cause there lots of power... some people would not understand that.lol

Well, try making that 889hp n/a on 91 pump gas out of a 2.0l 4 cylinder. Unless some kind of alien tech can't be done as far as I know w a decent power curve w a/c. I'm not trying to be a azz. Mpg, def c.i. loses. No way it could get 25 mpg.

No alien tech needed to make the same hp per cubic inch actually its quite weak.

589ci is 9.654 liters =92.08 hp per liter and 1.5 hp per cubic inch
so put that on an n/a 2.0
122ci is 2.0 liters = 184 hp now how impressive are the numbers.

Now add force induction and e85, pump gas to the mix you have a 2.0 on steroids making
6.0 hp per cubic inch, to the wheels!

So in conclusion 1.5 hp per cubic inch on a bad ass car/motor combo is not all that impressive.
By the way that was a street car making 6.0 hp per cubic inch :)



Too many pullies

Typical import lover hating on a car thats nicer then any rice burner out there.

And your a wanna be what???

Hey I love Domestic cars, I am building a 1200 hp force fed domestic now, but it will never get to the hp per ci that my mitsu motor did, unless you were building a funny car motor, its just not gonna happen mitsu motors fucken rock, the rest of the car sucks balls lol, hence why I am building a domestic.

[DJ0820]

Lots of pullies cause there lots of power... some people would not understand that.lol

Pullies to run accesories = parasitic loss
More pullies = more loss

There that wasn't that hard was it? :goodman:

[DustinsDuster]

4 bangers might make more HP per CI, but i still say area under the curve is where it's at.

[allgo]

Lots of pullies cause there lots of power... some people would not understand that.lol

Pullies to run accesories = parasitic loss
More pullies = more loss

There that wasn't that hard was it? :goodman:

gee thanks for the education, :sleep:

[allgo]

Lots of pullies cause there lots of power... some people would not understand that.lol

Well, try making that 889hp n/a on 91 pump gas out of a 2.0l 4 cylinder. Unless some kind of alien tech can't be done as far as I know w a decent power curve w a/c. I'm not trying to be a azz. Mpg, def c.i. loses. No way it could get 25 mpg.

No alien tech needed to make the same hp per cubic inch actually its quite weak.

589ci is 9.654 liters =92.08 hp per liter and 1.5 hp per cubic inch
so put that on an n/a 2.0
122ci is 2.0 liters = 184 hp now how impressive are the numbers.

Now add force induction and e85, pump gas to the mix you have a 2.0 on steroids making
6.0 hp per cubic inch, to the wheels!

So in conclusion 1.5 hp per cubic inch on a bad ass car/motor combo is not all that impressive.
By the way that was a street car making 6.0 hp per cubic inch :)



Too many pullies

Typical import lover hating on a car thats nicer then any rice burner out there.

And your a wanna be what???

Hey I love Domestic cars, I am building a 1200 hp force fed domestic now, but it will never get to the hp per ci that my mitsu motor did, unless you were building a funny car motor, its just not gonna happen mitsu motors fucken rock, the rest of the car sucks balls lol, hence why I am building a domestic.

trent not to start a big bullshit thread here but come on the life of that motor is not very long, just ask all the OLD IMPORT guys on here, they figured out that more power and reliability of a domestics is worth it. P.S. if it was so great why did you sell yours??

[69gt4speed]

Trent btw and I was surprised also, some engineers compared a honda f1 (super hi tech engine) vs a carbed nascar engine efficency wise. Conclusion difference wasn't worth arguing over.

In the engine master contest, a 431 w these heads, flat tappet cam, 91 oct. put out over 700hp and placed #3. They rated winners basically by a c.i. factor and avg hp and tq from 2.5k to 6.5k. New for 09 they are allowing the gm lsx, ford mod 2 and 3v, and chrysler hemi, 11.5/1 compression and solid roller cam w efi. Along w 3k to 7k avg hp and tq range. Should be a wild complete unknown. Look it up. They have a factor I'm sure as before for c.i. So far sweet spot has been around 400 c.i. for the winner. Go figure that out. A kaase 403 c.i. chi head ford won this yr. Us v8 n/a guys all have a dog.

I think when you play by a fixed set of rules n/a hp per ci. isn't that much different esp. if you take a avg hp and tq over a fixed rpm range like a real street engine w a/c, ps, and it can idle on pump gas. e85 doesn't count imo, most can't get that outside the midwest. Besides w n/a you need 13/1 compression to make it work like a s/c or turbo does w dynamic compression.

[FiFdYnUtZ]

who gives a f&Ck about hp per ci? i would be more concerned about overall power and capabilities...

[drfast4ward]

Lots of pullies cause there lots of power... some people would not understand that.lol

Well, try making that 889hp n/a on 91 pump gas out of a 2.0l 4 cylinder. Unless some kind of alien tech can't be done as far as I know w a decent power curve w a/c. I'm not trying to be a azz. Mpg, def c.i. loses. No way it could get 25 mpg.

No alien tech needed to make the same hp per cubic inch actually its quite weak.

589ci is 9.654 liters =92.08 hp per liter and 1.5 hp per cubic inch
so put that on an n/a 2.0
122ci is 2.0 liters = 184 hp now how impressive are the numbers.

Now add force induction and e85, pump gas to the mix you have a 2.0 on steroids making
6.0 hp per cubic inch, to the wheels!

So in conclusion 1.5 hp per cubic inch on a bad ass car/motor combo is not all that impressive.
By the way that was a street car making 6.0 hp per cubic inch :)



Too many pullies

Typical import lover hating on a car thats nicer then any rice burner out there.

And your a wanna be what???

Hey I love Domestic cars, I am building a 1200 hp force fed domestic now, but it will never get to the hp per ci that my mitsu motor did, unless you were building a funny car motor, its just not gonna happen mitsu motors fucken rock, the rest of the car sucks balls lol, hence why I am building a domestic.

trent not to start a big bullshit thread here but come on the life of that motor is not very long, just ask all the OLD IMPORT guys on here, they figured out that more power and reliability of a domestics is worth it. P.S. if it was so great why did you sell yours??

Your Right I dont want another bullshit thread either, as far as my motor goes i didnt rebuild it for two seasons at that power, however 7 trannies a year best parts you can buy other than a dogbox shep is running and dont sell, I just got tired of the maintainance it took to keep the rest of the car running.

My point is 1.5 hp per ci is not impressive, when you look at the cars coming off the line today c6 base is 1.2 hp per ci c6 z06 is 1.4 viper is 1.4 there are more, Just dont have the time to do the detailed research. mitsus lose there reliability at 400+ hp which is still over 2 times what that 589 is putting out. I guess its just me I dont see all the hype.

just so you all know I only got involved in this thread cause you felt it neccessary to pick on the 2.0 in the first place.. I am done now Sorry If i hurt anyones feelings, wasnt my intentions at all.

[69gt4speed]

Here's what I said exactly... mind you I was kinda ticked off going to work at 7am.

Well, try making that 889hp n/a on 91 pump gas out of a 2.0l 4 cylinder. Unless some kind of alien tech can't be done as far as I know w a decent power curve w a/c. I'm not trying to be a azz. Mpg, def c.i. loses. No way it could get 25 mpg.

What does that mean? Was I slammin a mitsu? No, could be talking a pinto mtr. Huber has gone 9's on boost. You have seen it probably.
What I was saying no way a normally aspirated 2.0 144 c.i can put out 800+ hp on 91 pump gas w a decent power curve, run a air conditioner and to go w that, idle decent. I said mpg would be bad. Even the 4v v8 f1 engines only did 750hp or so at 19k rpms can't imagine running a a/c or idle w that engine. All I was saying...Besides it's good for a guy to step up and offer new parts for the resto/mod ppl. He's advertising plain and simple we know that w the stang.

Believe me we ford guys argue this endlessly too. Big c.i. n/a or small c.i. forced fed. But here I was talking n/a. A nice 331 to 408 to me is the sweet spot overall for a street car w forced induction on pump 93 gasoline. Mpg is ok, power ok, idles ok. Lasts a long time on lower boost. I don't like workin on same stuff or get race gas, too expensive. Nothing against anyone just me. :bigthumb:

[DustinsDuster]

hp/ci be damned- its still funny when an 800hp domestic beats a 900hp import...

[allgo]

imports always try to swing on peak power not average HP!!

[DJ0820]

Trent btw and I was surprised also, some engineers compared a honda f1 (super hi tech engine) vs a carbed nascar engine efficency wise. Conclusion difference wasn't worth arguing over.

Link? I'm not buyin it. 2.7L engine and 5.86L engine making around the same power....


hp/ci be damned- its still funny when an 800hp domestic beats a 900hp import...

And obviously the sword swings both ways.....and is that much sweeter the other way around.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eo-9Io41bt8
That's way fucking cooler than NASCAR

[69gt4speed]

"Link? I'm not buyin it. 2.7L engine and 5.86L engine making around the same power...."

I knew someone would call me on that.... Consider though nascar has been doing this for yrs w about same engines, same restrictions, same rules. Bottom line f1 4.3% over a nascar engine for the so called engine performance coefficent. Not worth arguing over. Here it is the link. Btw, yes that's a peak number to do a avg. we need a dyno chart vs rpms and calculate and plot it out.

http://www.epi-eng.com/piston_engine_te ... _tools.htm (http://www.epi-eng.com/piston_engine_technology/engine_comparison_tools.htm)

[drfast4ward]

This dyno sheet and Graph was early in the game but only one available on line on a sunday :) just to help whoevers arguement

http://www.revhardinc.com/shop%20pics/dyno%20sheets/dynograph.jpg

http://www.revhardinc.com/shop%20pics/dyno%20sheets/dynosheet.jpg

[DustinsDuster]

hp/ci be damned- its still funny when an 800hp domestic beats a 900hp import...

And obviously the sword swings both ways.....and is that much sweeter the other way around.

its cooler when a lighter car with more power beats a big, heavy, stoneage technology domestic? in that sense, domestics seem to be the underdog.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eo-9Io41bt8
That's way fucking cooler than NASCAR

cool is in the eye of the beholder- depending on who you ask, these people are "cool"

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[Domestic Disturbance]

hahaha love the cool examples. No matter how you put it, how much power whatever is making, nothing sounds better than a throaty v8. This is not opinion, it is fact.

[69gt4speed]

Man, I post a new stang w a older 70's upgraded cylinder head and stirred up stuff between friends. And said a n/a can put down hp and idle and pull a a/c. Nothing about c.i. per hp besides n/a effiency. Go ahead Trent use that formula epi put out any highly worked force fed turbo puts out way over 1.2 at enough boost. But look at it another way, every 14.7 psi approx doubles the engines mass airflow or size so where it says in formula at 14.7 boost put in 144 x2 = 288 c.i., then at 29.4 boost put in 144 x3 for c.i. etc. I don't know how to figure nitrous but it adds in more o2 also w a n cushion. Just remember none of this stuff is new just improved. Blocks, heads, cams, having a ecu control it all. Ohio george had a injected twin turbo on a gasoline boss 429 in 71, they factored it out, too fast.

[black88gt]

lol hp/displacement


deeeeeeeee de deeeeeeeeeeee

[DJ0820]

Uh son
http://people.bath.ac.uk/ccsshb/12cyl/rta96c_crank.jpg
Put that in your rustang

/thread

[FiFdYnUtZ]

put that in your honda, then maybe it will make some power under the curve, ever heard of that? power UNDER the curve?

[DustinsDuster]

i prefer my speed measured in MPH, not knotts, thanks.

[Scott]

sounds like a bunch of dyno racing import kids again. figure this one out, the same engine set-up I am using now
was dyno'd at 375hp at the rear wheels in my old mustang, and ran as fast as 10.3 in the quarter!! Lets see a import
do that!!

[allgo]

I thought you only went 10.50s on motor?

[DustinsDuster]

if i remember right, he ran 10.50's on pump gas- or maybe that was BHavlik. not sure though.

[69gt4speed]

"Put that in your rustang"

Maybe not that, but we've put this in and it's a ford 1100 c.i. engine. Allgo knows about it, I believe this guy is a iowa hawkeye fan. Like I have said all this stuff is not new just improved.
http://bp0.blogger.com/_CaW3osw3OUg/RcYZ6mvWREI/AAAAAAAABMk/zXQN_CclFJM/s400/Mustang+Mock+%231.JPG

Tech specs per the owner.......

These engines were originally built by Ford in WWII as V12 airplane engines, but the military really needed a good tank engine at the time. Ford responded by chopping off 4 cylinders off, and adding an 180 degree crank, so was born the GAA tank engine. The modified heads on my engine were spares for a GAA powered tractor that won the nationals back in the eighties. It made 3600 HP using twin turbos, 34 pounds of boost and alcohol. The engine had a stock crank, stock rods, and stock cams in it. They feature a 60 degree vee, 5.4 bore x 6.0 stroke, 180 degree factory billet cranks, pent roof combustion chambers, shaft driven DOHC's, 4 valves per cylinder, and dual mags. They are pretty high tech. engines, especially considering they were built in the early 40's...
The way it sits, naturally aspirated, in my Mustang it should be right at 900 HP @ 4200 rpm, and 1300 ft. lbs. of torque, with over 1000 ft. lbs available from 1600 to 4200 rpm. As installed in a tank they weigh 1400 lbs. I managed to trim the engine down to it's current weight of 960 lbs. If you think about it, an iron big block, or a hemi with a blower would weigh about the same. The radiator and anything else that can be moved to rear, either already is or will be soon.

[69gt4speed]

A guy doing a gaa v8 in a ford 84 f350 truck.....It could be a real good mud runner w suitable drivetrain, stang has a racing powerglide. This guy wants a allison auto now trying a 4r100. Notice the valve cover, custom ford 1100 c.i. emblems. That's 3 demon 525's btw. Msd dist. Custom s.s exhaust manifold. I think the engine polished and chromed looks really cool.
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=273996&d=1170764644
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Anyway, buy the pop hot rodding feb 09 mag. you will see Kaase's boss engines. Anytime someone can do something w a old ford motor, mo power to them. Just remember.. ww2 developed all this stuff for airplanes, dohc, alum blocks, turbos, 2 speed s/c, nitrous, and alcohol we won didn't we cause of it. Cheapest, best, most volume, we kicked their azz. The big 3 did their part.

[DJ0820]

sounds like a bunch of dyno racing import kids again. figure this one out, the same engine set-up I am using now
was dyno'd at 375hp at the rear wheels in my old mustang, and ran as fast as 10.3 in the quarter!! Lets see a import
do that!!

I bet a 2200lb anything could do that with 375hp @ the wheels. That's what, ~480hp @ the crank assuming 20% drivetrain loss? Yeah I'd probably shoot myself if I couldn't get a Honda mid tens with 480 hp.

As for the 1000lb tank engine.......hilarious! Bet that's fun to find parts for. Maybe you could find some in a century old pull-a-part in Berlin.

[Jappbox]

I lke my little motor with big turbo making big powe. Its diffrent. How many 900+hp 4 cylinders with no nitrous are in the USA? let alone world, now.. how many V8 big block or small block 900hp motors are there in the world? To me its nice to be someone not just copying what everyone else does. I also enjoy the sound of 40+ psi though a little motor. Less Reliable, yes. But if I had a turbo v8 i would expect at least 1300hp under the same conditons or I would be haooy with the displacement vs Forced induction factors. Technology has made alot possible. Yes guys are going fast with old carb setups, but thats thanks to nitrous and Cubic inches. again same thing everyone does. Just like someone posted about the F1 cars. That is technology at its finest. Same goes for the 24 hours of Lemans, you wont see a Carborated motor out there. Just High tech computer controled motors... Same reason why my 122 cubic inch motor makes 1100 crank horsepower.

[allgo]

Jesse anyones motor can make big power once!!! :butthead:

[DustinsDuster]

sounds like a bunch of dyno racing import kids again. figure this one out, the same engine set-up I am using now
was dyno'd at 375hp at the rear wheels in my old mustang, and ran as fast as 10.3 in the quarter!! Lets see a import
do that!!

I bet a 2200lb anything could do that with 375hp @ the wheels. That's what, ~480hp @ the crank assuming 20% drivetrain loss? Yeah I'd probably shoot myself if I couldn't get a Honda mid tens with 480 hp.

As for the 1000lb tank engine.......hilarious! Bet that's fun to find parts for. Maybe you could find some in a century old pull-a-part in Berlin.

the blue car with stock suspension weighed over 3100lbs if i remember right, and ran 10.70's. im pretty sure the car he has now still weighs over 3000lbs.

[K-ville]

I lke my little motor with big turbo making big powe. Its diffrent. How many 900+hp 4 cylinders with no nitrous are in the USA? let alone world, now.. how many V8 big block or small block 900hp motors are there in the world? To me its nice to be someone not just copying what everyone else does. I also enjoy the sound of 40+ psi though a little motor. Less Reliable, yes. But if I had a turbo v8 i would expect at least 1300hp under the same conditons or I would be haooy with the displacement vs Forced induction factors. Technology has made alot possible. Yes guys are going fast with old carb setups, but thats thanks to nitrous and Cubic inches. again same thing everyone does. Just like someone posted about the F1 cars. That is technology at its finest. Same goes for the 24 hours of Lemans, you wont see a Carborated motor out there. Just High tech computer controled motors... Same reason why my 122 cubic inch motor makes 1100 crank horsepower.

yea i see what your saying with the copy other people thing because you were the first person in the world to build a EVO! oh wait no you werent. You built your car bacause thats what you like end of story. And thats fine by the way and ill even go as far as to say i like your car alot and im not a import guy at all but you can stop blowin smoke up everyones ass about how extra special you are becaus you make 900hp with a evo wich really isnt all that rare anymore and getting less every day. Now that said i have a fox mustang one of the most over populated cars in the world!!!! and my setup can be found in hundreds upon hundreds of other stangs but it doesnt matter because thats what I like so thats what I built! end of rant :banghead:

[allgo]

er
I lke my little motor with big turbo making big powe. Its diffrent. How many 900+hp 4 cylinders with no nitrous are in the USA? let alone world, now.. how many V8 big block or small block 900hp motors are there in the world? To me its nice to be someone not just copying what everyone else does. I also enjoy the sound of 40+ psi though a little motor. Less Reliable, yes. But if I had a turbo v8 i would expect at least 1300hp under the same conditons or I would be haooy with the displacement vs Forced induction factors. Technology has made alot possible. Yes guys are going fast with old carb setups, but thats thanks to nitrous and Cubic inches. again same thing everyone does. Just like someone posted about the F1 cars. That is technology at its finest. Same goes for the 24 hours of Lemans, you wont see a Carborated motor out there. Just High tech computer controled motors... Same reason why my 122 cubic inch motor makes 1100 crank horsepower.


making 900 hp and only driving a couple times a year and rebuilding it twice this year is not that impresive, since we are on the backpatting my gn jesse made alot more to the rears on only 22 lbs of boost threw a hp robbing auto (turbo 4000) and its only a v6, drove it all over town and out of town and never hurt a thing. When ever you want to race me like you ran your mouth about last year just pm me and I will be glad to drag you down the 1320.

P.S. to all you jesse nutswingers dont bother sticking up for him on this, he called me on the phone last may to race I accepted and he blew his motor up and never raced me again. For every one evo making 800 to 900 hp there are 10,000 domestics making that power, its funny how they other guys seen the light and went domestic.

[Scott]

yeah my car will run 10.5's all motor on pump gas, thats with the nitrous gearing and very very tight torque converter. and the car weighs over 3000 lbs.. I would sure fucking hope a 2200 lb car could run mid tens but I am willing to bet that YOU couldnt do it!! and you WONT do it, so quit talking.. anyway, if I change a few things around on my car and put good gas in it it picks up pretty good. The fastest it ever ran all motor is 10.3 the last time I have ran it NA it wason pump gas and ran 10.6's I believe. Alot slower than Allgo's Cobra!!!

[Scott]

There is ALOT of v-8's with carburators that make very good power, WITHOUT a power adder, theres plenty of SMALL block engines making over 1000hp all motor with a CARB on it. and its reliable to boot. Either way I know when I bring my car to the track it WILL run within tenth of the last pass, and its totally NHRA legal so I can do that all day. I dont think I have ever seen a import at the track thats consistent OR that fast.. I suppose Keger is building a track legal car though, cant wait to see what that runs.

[DJ0820]

yeah my car will run 10.5's all motor on pump gas, thats with the nitrous gearing and very very tight torque converter. and the car weighs over 3000 lbs.. I would sure fucking hope a 2200 lb car could run mid tens but I am willing to bet that YOU couldnt do it!! and you WONT do it, so quit talking.. anyway, if I change a few things around on my car and put good gas in it it picks up pretty good. The fastest it ever ran all motor is 10.3 the last time I have ran it NA it wason pump gas and ran 10.6's I believe. Alot slower than Allgo's Cobra!!!

Cool man a ten second Mustang, haven't seen one of those before. I don't care how much your car weighs, I used 2200 lbs as an example because that around how much my Honda weighs; the one you said couldn't run tens with the same power your stang makes. And you're right, I won't do it "I have better things to spend my money on" ha and certainly nothing to prove to you. You went from driving in a straight line to now making left hand turns. Impressive.

[K-ville]

yeah my car will run 10.5's all motor on pump gas, thats with the nitrous gearing and very very tight torque converter. and the car weighs over 3000 lbs.. I would sure fucking hope a 2200 lb car could run mid tens but I am willing to bet that YOU couldnt do it!! and you WONT do it, so quit talking.. anyway, if I change a few things around on my car and put good gas in it it picks up pretty good. The fastest it ever ran all motor is 10.3 the last time I have ran it NA it wason pump gas and ran 10.6's I believe. Alot slower than Allgo's Cobra!!!

Cool man a ten second Mustang, haven't seen one of those before. I don't care how much your car weighs, I used 2200 lbs as an example because that around how much my Honda weighs; the one you said couldn't run tens with the same power your stang makes. And you're right, I won't do it "I have better things to spend my money on" ha and certainly nothing to prove to you. You went from driving in a straight line to now making left hand turns. Impressive.

Cool man a guy talkin rice get all wet blanket when he cant hang with the other cars in a discussion haven't seen that happen before.

[DJ0820]

Talkin rice? Good one. I don't think I've talked up any car in this thread, much less an import.

[K-ville]

Talkin rice? Good one. I don't think I've talked up any car in this thread, much less an import.

it was good because rice=shit so they can be interchanged. talkin down on domestic is close enough to talking up import

[DJ0820]

Talkin rice? Good one. I don't think I've talked up any car in this thread, much less an import.

it was good because rice=shit so they can be interchanged. talkin down on domestic is close enough to talking up import

Don't you own some rice in the form of bikes? You just might be an idiot.

[K-ville]

Talkin rice? Good one. I don't think I've talked up any car in this thread, much less an import.

it was good because rice=shit so they can be interchanged. talkin down on domestic is close enough to talking up import

Don't you own some rice in the form of bikes? You just might be an idiot.

I most certainly do own a hayabusa wich is a jap bike and those style bikes are hands down the only sport style bike worth racing. hints why the harleys have to get a ton of help with rules to run in most class's, much like how import cars run things like NOPI race series instead of running in the NHRA. so i look at cars like this IF imports were the best bang for the buck with the greatest overall potential thats what id have. but there not at least not in my opinion so i dont. now with bikes its opposite so i ride import plain and simple. I dont dislike imports because there import, it just because I dont like them. but you wanna talk about an idiot dont compare a completly diffrent situation to the topic at hand.

[Drifte]

DJ0820 and Red04Evo must have edited their posts, because the responses to them don't make any sense...

"P.S. to all you jesse nutswingers dont bother sticking up for him on this, he called me on the phone last may to race I accepted and he blew his motor up and never raced me again. For every one evo making 800 to 900 hp there are 10,000 domestics making that power"

I still feel like Im missing something. The "domestic" guys are sounding really angry and upset about "import" cars. I dont see why people are getting upset for other people doing what they find fun.

[Stro]

If you think about it, there are probably a hundred different forums discussing this exact same topic right now, and guess what. No one is really going to get anywhere with it, everyone has there own opinion, and they're entitled to it.

[allgo]

My post was basically saying that jesse is pattting himself on the back saying that he is the only one to think of his combo that made 900 hp which indeed it did but then it blew up. I am not mad at any imports I like some of them, but when people start saying this and that about domestics I always stick up for them. And the other comment by me goes back earlier this year when jesse and george called me on the phone to race and got all phone tough on me and I said lets do it and it never happend, so point being I think the evo is a cool car and a fast one to but dont get on here and brag it up like your the only guy in america making that kinda power.

[allgo]

If you think about it, there are probably a hundred different forums discussing this exact same topic right now, and guess what. No one is really going to get anywhere with it, everyone has there own opinion, and they're entitled to it.

True..

[K-ville]

If you think about it, there are probably a hundred different forums discussing this exact same topic right now, and guess what. No one is really going to get anywhere with it, everyone has there own opinion, and they're entitled to it.

agree 100%


DJ0820 and Red04Evo must have edited their posts, because the responses to them don't make any sense...

"P.S. to all you jesse nutswingers dont bother sticking up for him on this, he called me on the phone last may to race I accepted and he blew his motor up and never raced me again. For every one evo making 800 to 900 hp there are 10,000 domestics making that power"

I still feel like Im missing something. The "domestic" guys are sounding really angry and upset about "import" cars. I dont see why people are getting upset for other people doing what they find fun.

im not angry at import guys or there cars. to each his own, but on that same note im not gonna sit and not reply to DJ0820 run his trap about domestics and mustangs just because there not what he likes. there are some seriously badass imports around I wouldnt want them myself but im also not gonna talk them down. I just get worked up over stupid people who can respect something just because its not what they would choose

[K-ville]

My post was basically saying that jesse is pattting himself on the back saying that he is the only one to think of his combo that made 900 hp which indeed it did but then it blew up. I am not mad at any imports I like some of them, but when people start saying this and that about domestics I always stick up for them. And the other comment by me goes back earlier this year when jesse and george called me on the phone to race and got all phone tough on me and I said lets do it and it never happend, so point being I think the evo is a cool car and a fast one to but dont get on here and brag it up like your the only guy in america making that kinda power.

i wish id have seen this before i typed mine up I could have just said +1

[Jappbox]

I was just saying around here.. not that im the "only one" with a car like mine, just maybe in a few states. Allgo you wanted a dig race not a roll race. and i dont care what you say to that but inless I get me some practice on digs, a roll is all I would like.. are you still made that the only times you have race me you have lost? 0-2 if i remember?? Not trying to start anything just stating a fact. Are race was not agreed on, as you wanted dig, i wanted roll, and so on.. If you would like to switch to a 5 speed then we can do a dig as both of us will have no seat time from a dig. i dunno why you keep saying my car blew up. Shit happens, not my fault 4G's like to spin rod beerings with alot of power or boost. I dont bring up how many head gaskets your GN has been though or any of your problems!! like when you needed JC to jump start your GN on 16th Ave!!! man I allways get on this site thinking things have changed and people are done bashing on every move I make, I guess i was wrong.

[K-ville]

I was just saying around here.. not that im the "only one" with a car like mine, just maybe in a few states. Allgo you wanted a dig race not a roll race. and i dont care what you say to that but inless I get me some practice on digs, a roll is all I would like.. are you still made that the only times you have race me you have lost? 0-2 if i remember?? Not trying to start anything just stating a fact. Are race was not agreed on, as you wanted dig, i wanted roll, and so on.. If you would like to switch to a 5 speed then we can do a dig as both of us will have no seat time from a dig. i dunno why you keep saying my car blew up. Shit happens, not my fault 4G's like to spin rod beerings with alot of power or boost. I dont bring up how many head gaskets your GN has been though or any of your problems!! like when you needed JC to jump start your GN on 16th Ave!!! man I allways get on this site thinking things have changed and people are done bashing on every move I make, I guess i was wrong.

when and what did you two race? not saying you didnt or you didnt win or that i dont believe you haha just curious cuz ive never heard this before

[allgo]

Geez he is living on a race 3 years ago before he blew his car up the first time, he raced a bone stock cobra with spray from a roll and beat then i wanted a re match but couldnt get it cause he blew his car up again, but at a strip he knew he didnt stand a chance. Then I drove my buddies vette and he beat that, whats funny is he never raced me again cause he knows he doesnt stand a chance. All of my cars have been faster in a 1/4 then his 80,000 dollar evo so there you have it jesse. I will roll race you in my cobra for any amount of money you want then we will dig race to... We can have someone hold the punk out money, balls in your court big street racer!!
P.S. dont flatter yourself,
:butthead: :neener: :baby: :heart:

[K-ville]

wow this is gettin good

[69gt4speed]

I still feel like Im missing something. The "domestic" guys are sounding really angry and upset about "import" cars. I dont see why people are getting upset for other people doing what they find fun.

Well maybe u and dj got ur lil digs in at the start about pullies... I am extremely sorry you can't have that many... "Lol I count 9"... Pulley envy... sh-t I've heard it all.

You know I listen to every persons car setup, figure I might be able to use/learn something. All I gotta say is closed minded ppl will get their azz handed to them. From the beginning ppl always spied on others to know if they had enough to get it done.

[DJ0820]

I just thought there were too many pullies...get over it

Closed minded? What are you talking about? I think you might be looking into this a little much.

[90 notch]

I was just saying around here.. not that im the "only one" with a car like mine, just maybe in a few states. Allgo you wanted a dig race not a roll race. and i dont care what you say to that but inless I get me some practice on digs, a roll is all I would like.. are you still made that the only times you have race me you have lost? 0-2 if i remember?? Not trying to start anything just stating a fact. Are race was not agreed on, as you wanted dig, i wanted roll, and so on.. If you would like to switch to a 5 speed then we can do a dig as both of us will have no seat time from a dig. i dunno why you keep saying my car blew up. Shit happens, not my fault 4G's like to spin rod beerings with alot of power or boost. I dont bring up how many head gaskets your GN has been though or any of your problems!! like when you needed JC to jump start your GN on 16th Ave!!! man I allways get on this site thinking things have changed and people are done bashing on every move I make, I guess i was wrong.This has to be one of the gayest posts to date.We have all had glory streetracing at one point in time.You say your car is unlike others and your so proud of it, good for you.I think allgo's point is it's been three years,i think it's time to move on to the present!You also state it makes 1100 hp and he'll race you from a roll for any amount of money.Sounds like your RACE!

[Mufflover]

wow this is gettin good


Havent been on here in a couple of days and I miss all this good stuff, this race will never happen cause there is more talk on here then a radio station.

[Drifte]

jealousy's a bitch.

[Mufflover]

jealousy's a bitch.

lol. ya right

[K-ville]

jealousy's a bitch.
to who is this impied

[drfast4ward]

jealousy's a bitch.
to who is this impied

I would assume anyone who is affended by it :)

[FiFdYnUtZ]

lmao i like how mufflover throws his .02 in on something about cars he has never seen and people he doesnt know...

[K-ville]

jealousy's a bitch.
to who is this impied

I would assume anyone who is affended by it :)

im by no means affended the only jealousy id have outa the people in this would be allgo because he has 3 out of my favorite 5 cars in his shop as we speak.

[tractioncontrol]

So if Allgo will race you from a roll or a dig why doesn't it happen in the spring Jessie? If you want to talk about how many times you have won then now have a metric shit ton more power should make this an easy race for you unless your worried about the motor.




Also your guys' arguments about power curve may be changing, some technology in the turbo world may change soon making large turbos spool in about half of the time. A builder is creating a way to run half of a twin scroll housing and redirecting all of the engines exiting velocity into the one side of the housing untill the turbo is making 10 or 15 pounds of boost then allowing the air to be split and run both sides of the twin scroll housing after the engine is spinning the turbo. We'll see how that works out.

I do agree though the reliability suck with a high hp 4 cyl.

[Mufflover]

lmao i like how mufflover throws his .02 in on something about cars he has never seen and people he doesnt know...


my 2cents is worth as much as one of your paint jobs.lol

[DJ0820]

I do agree though the reliability suck with a high hp 4 cyl.

Or any engine at it's physical limits...

When you start with less, you are going to end with less. To take a small engine and make it run with the big cube beasts it is obviously going to take more research, tuning, tighter tolerances and what-have-you. Some people take that as a challenge and have fun with it.

[Drifte]

"Also your guys' arguments about power curve may be changing, some technology in the turbo world may change soon making large turbos spool in about half of the time. A builder is creating a way to run half of a twin scroll housing and redirecting all of the engines exiting velocity into the one side of the housing untill the turbo is making 10 or 15 pounds of boost then allowing the air to be split and run both sides of the twin scroll housing after the engine is spinning the turbo. We'll see how that works out."

This is not new technology...fyi

[tractioncontrol]

"Also your guys' arguments about power curve may be changing, some technology in the turbo world may change soon making large turbos spool in about half of the time. A builder is creating a way to run half of a twin scroll housing and redirecting all of the engines exiting velocity into the one side of the housing untill the turbo is making 10 or 15 pounds of boost then allowing the air to be split and run both sides of the twin scroll housing after the engine is spinning the turbo. We'll see how that works out."

This is not new technology...fyi


The Patent office thinks it is. The builder got the idea off of a setup he saw over in europe and is making it better. If it's not new why does an Evo spool a 42R 7000 rpm and not 4000? If it's not new why does nobody use it. Do you have a link? I am always into learning something new or not new I guess.

[Drifte]

Oh I dont have a link, something I read about few years back though. When I think of where I found it I'll post it up though.

[tractioncontrol]

Cool, I had never heard of this before so I thought it looked pretty promising.

[Mufflover]

it was called vvt, variable vane turbo, used in late 80s on dodges, if this is what you are thinking.

[Domestic Disturbance]

it was called vvt, variable vane turbo, used in late 80s on dodges, if this is what you are thinking.
so its unreliable? :butthead:

[JacobS]

So if Allgo will race you from a roll or a dig why doesn't it happen in the spring Jessie? If you want to talk about how many times you have won then now have a metric shit ton more power should make this an easy race for you unless your worried about the motor.




Also your guys' arguments about power curve may be changing, some technology in the turbo world may change soon making large turbos spool in about half of the time. A builder is creating a way to run half of a twin scroll housing and redirecting all of the engines exiting velocity into the one side of the housing untill the turbo is making 10 or 15 pounds of boost then allowing the air to be split and run both sides of the twin scroll housing after the engine is spinning the turbo. We'll see how that works out.

I do agree though the reliability suck with a high hp 4 cyl.

now im not trying to speak for jesse on this, but he might be waiting for AMS' new oil pan that keeps oil near the pump. whereas the pan he has now does not do well under high g's. again, not trying to speak for him, i would just assume hed wait for that then risk doing the same thing to the motor as last time.

[tractioncontrol]

What I am talking about uses a flap to shut off half of the divided exhaust housing. It was first tested with a waste gate to open the flapper but now the builder is designing a solenoid to run it off oil pressure, opening it based off of the SEM's signal.

[tractioncontrol]

So if Allgo will race you from a roll or a dig why doesn't it happen in the spring Jessie? If you want to talk about how many times you have won then now have a metric shit ton more power should make this an easy race for you unless your worried about the motor.




Also your guys' arguments about power curve may be changing, some technology in the turbo world may change soon making large turbos spool in about half of the time. A builder is creating a way to run half of a twin scroll housing and redirecting all of the engines exiting velocity into the one side of the housing untill the turbo is making 10 or 15 pounds of boost then allowing the air to be split and run both sides of the twin scroll housing after the engine is spinning the turbo. We'll see how that works out.

I do agree though the reliability suck with a high hp 4 cyl.

now im not trying to speak for jesse on this, but he might be waiting for AMS' new oil pan that keeps oil near the pump. whereas the pan he has now does not do well under high g's. again, not trying to speak for him, i would just assume hed wait for that then risk doing the same thing to the motor as last time.


If it's that big of a problem I would go to a dry sump. The pan AMS is making should be done by spring I would assume, if Jessie wants to keep bragging rights he needs to run.

[FiFdYnUtZ]

lmao i like how mufflover throws his .02 in on something about cars he has never seen and people he doesnt know...


my 2cents is worth as much as one of your paint jobs.lol


wow thats a pretty ignorant comment, thanks for solidifying the fact i have 0 respect for you....have you even seen any of my work dick bag? and if so, whats wrong with it? im dying to know...with your insane amount of intelligence :vom: you should give me some pointers!

[derek072887]

awwww takin some offense to his statement?? damn its easy to get you pissed off...

[allgo]

So if Allgo will race you from a roll or a dig why doesn't it happen in the spring Jessie? If you want to talk about how many times you have won then now have a metric shit ton more power should make this an easy race for you unless your worried about the motor.




Also your guys' arguments about power curve may be changing, some technology in the turbo world may change soon making large turbos spool in about half of the time. A builder is creating a way to run half of a twin scroll housing and redirecting all of the engines exiting velocity into the one side of the housing untill the turbo is making 10 or 15 pounds of boost then allowing the air to be split and run both sides of the twin scroll housing after the engine is spinning the turbo. We'll see how that works out.

I do agree though the reliability suck with a high hp 4 cyl.

now im not trying to speak for jesse on this, but he might be waiting for AMS' new oil pan that keeps oil near the pump. whereas the pan he has now does not do well under high g's. again, not trying to speak for him, i would just assume hed wait for that then risk doing the same thing to the motor as last time.


If it's that big of a problem I would go to a dry sump. The pan AMS is making should be done by spring I would assume, if Jessie wants to keep bragging rights he needs to run.

He has no bragging rights...

[FiFdYnUtZ]

awwww takin some offense to his statement?? damn its easy to get you pissed off...

lol and the other person i have no respect for chimes in! shoulda saw that coming!

[tractioncontrol]

Well, he feels he does. It's time for one of you to end it. Jessie needs to run it.

[snickerlicker]

Take it to the streeeeets...

[derek072887]

yea jesse bring it out and run it so everyone can shut up or you can shut up.... no offense to jesse it just comes down to put up or shut up i guess

[69gt4speed]

"yea jesse bring it out and run it so everyone can shut up or you can shut up.... no offense to jesse it just comes down to put up or shut up i guess..."

Well, well, well, bring your stuff too, infact, unlike Allgo or Jesse all you have ran is ur mouth.. on a car u don't own... Jesse did test my blu car, very even race from 45 or so, on his new rebuild at 26/28# boost. He had a passenger though. I didn't for what it's worth. Why I didn't tape it. You ain't scared are you? This will never happen, I'd give the Allgo/Jesse test a lot more creditability because they have actually done stuff. Basically I just don't like/respect you. Prove me I am wrong. I can't say that about most car ppl. My thread as it is, so step up. Take that car out of ur sig as it isn't yours. Put want to have or some such crap. My dad/bro had a bbc nova race car don't see it or hear about it here do you?

[FiFdYnUtZ]

^amen...

[Mufflover]

lmao i like how mufflover throws his .02 in on something about cars he has never seen and people he doesnt know...


my 2cents is worth as much as one of your paint jobs.lol


wow thats a pretty ignorant comment, thanks for solidifying the fact i have 0 respect for you....have you even seen any of my work dick bag? and if so, whats wrong with it? im dying to know...with your insane amount of intelligence :vom: you should give me some pointers!

I am not a painter, but I know a good paint job when I see it and guess what not seeing it when you break your crayons out and call that work. If you want some pointers from me I will give you one, DONT PAINT AGAIN!!!! lol

[FiFdYnUtZ]

lmao what have you seen that i painted??

[TbTalon94]

What I am talking about uses a flap to shut off half of the divided exhaust housing. It was first tested with a waste gate to open the flapper but now the builder is designing a solenoid to run it off oil pressure, opening it based off of the SEM's signal.

This what u were talking about?

http://www.spracingonline.com/images/products/36433.jpg

Sound Performance :yawinkle:

[black88gt]

there several people that have fabbed up setups like that on turbomustangs, interesting stuff

[tractioncontrol]

What I am talking about uses a flap to shut off half of the divided exhaust housing. It was first tested with a waste gate to open the flapper but now the builder is designing a solenoid to run it off oil pressure, opening it based off of the SEM's signal.

This what u were talking about?

http://www.spracingonline.com/images/products/36433.jpg

Sound Performance :yawinkle:


The idea yes, only this is using oil pressure and a computer controlled solenoid.

I stand corrected, I had no clue it has aready been done.